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Nobody wants charging malls. Everyone wants to charge at home.

But that’s still not going to be enough to topple the issue that battery cars are $20,000 more expensive than their ICE counterparts, which is more than the whole budget most people have for a car as it is.

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> battery cars are $20,000 more expensive than their ICE counterparts

I’m not sure where you are, but this is certainly not true in the US broadly speaking.

$10k might be believable… sort of… but that typically doesn’t factor in total cost of ownership. Current EVs have quite a bit lower total cost of ownership for most use cases.

Regarding prices, I got a model y in 2021. It was comparable in purchase price and specs to a Toyota Highlander hybrid, but cost of ownership is lower and resell value may be higher.

For the same class of car Y is in, it's comparable in price to an ICE. But there just aren't any 15–30k$ EVs for purchase. OTOH, my TCO for my Y is way better than Tesla represented. It's so good that it comes close to letting me amortize solar panels on my roof.

Chevy Bolt EUV, Chevy Bolt EV, Nissan Leaf

All of which are discontinued as of this year…

> The Japanese company, however, said it will phase out the Leaf in the next few years and replace it with a new vehicle by 2026.

I see a 2024 Nissan Leaf on the website. It doesn't sound like Nissan will leave a gap or immediately discontinue the Leaf.

https://www.thestreet.com/electric-vehicles/teslas-latest-al...

GM also confirmed a second-generation Ultium-based Bolt successor.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44639082/chevrolet-bolt-e...

Mini Cooper SE is like 25k haha.

I don't know why you're fixated on that price point, though.

> battery cars are $20,000 more expensive than their ICE counterparts

It's not new, but it is the problem: We need to stop subsidizing ICE cars by letting them dump greenhouse gasses into everyone's atmosephere.

The average US buyer spends $48K total (including taxes and fees) on a new vehicle. There are hardly any models left in the $20K range.

https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/kbb-atp-july-2023...

The base model 3 is $38k with a $7500 tax credit, so $31k. An equivalent sized ICE will set you back at least $20k, if you can find a base model, and that won’t have the performance or capacity of the Tesla.

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