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Israel's demand for Gaza evacuation will lead to deaths, experts warn

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No water for the walk, no oil for the drive, no electricity to even receive the communication reliably, and no infrastructure to receive 1 million people on the receiving end. It is not a good faith demand. It is setting up a narrative and excuse for what's to come.

50% of the population in Palestine are children under the age of 15. In Gaza, it's 45%. One thing I've noticed is news media equating Hamas with the majority of Palestinians, they weren't even born when they came into power.

Apartheid Israel and Palestine are not the same. Israel is the aggressor. Israel and the IDF is not more moral than Hamas. They're two sides of the same coin.

Apartheid Israel has ethnic cleansed so many Palestinians that there are now 5.9 million stateless refugees in Jordan and Lebanon. That's half of Israel's population.

Illegal Settlers living in Palestine can vote in Israel but not Palestinians. Apartheid South Africa did the same, they put the people in their own "country" and so couldn't vote. Israel doesn't want 1 state as that would mean millions more voting. And it doesn't want 2 states as that would mean giving up valuable land.

The settlers kill and burn homes to get rid of people: [steal homes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNqozQ8uaV8) and destroy olive tree groves. They pour concrete into Palestinian farmers' water wells.

They even have a [segregated road system in the West Bank](https://s3.amazonaws.com/VP2/visuals/en/4db97391fe7cb2462249...)

[They control the water completely](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in...).

[They get 12 hours of electricity a day](https://www.ochaopt.org/page/gaza-strip-electricity-supply)

The Gaza [blockade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip) is a concentration camp of 2.2 million people where 44% are children. No access to water, electricity, aid, medicine. Even the sea is not accessible:

https://www.ochaopt.org/sites/default/files/styles/inline100...

@dang, why is this allowed? look this is just spam and has nothing to do with the article, which also doesn't really belong here

Doesn't belong here? Given your biased Act.IL based commenting, I can see why you would flag this. Israel is an Apartheid State and its actions including forcing people to flee and indiscriminate bombing on civilians will lead to innocents dying. Looks like you would rather bury your head in the sand than have people reminded of Apartheid Israel's war crimes.

I can somewhat empathize with the Jews, as this recent attack is just one of many.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-o...

It's just a bad situation all the way around.

Turning public infrastructure into rockets to fire into neighboring countries led to deaths, too. Perhaps warnings about that would be appropriate too? I dunno, I'm no expert, but it seems like the kind of thing that annoys others.

Civilians are civilians. Atrocities committed by a subset of people on one side do not excuse atrocities committed back to civilians on the other side. This should be the basics, come on guys.

You must be new to this conflict :p

And that's why we should end Affirmative Action

Israel bombing Gaza and targeting civilians for the last couple of decades led to deaths. Israel didn't and doesn't care.

They care maasively about their own safety over the safety of terrorist-sympathizers.

"terrorist-sympathizers"? Is that how Zionists identify Palestinians now?

> "terrorist-sympathizers"? Is that how Zionists identify Palestinians now?

This is not a Palestinian issue. If it were, Israel would be bombing the West Bank as well.

Gazans voluntarily elected Hamas.[1] Hamas then refused to leave after getting involved in violent conflict with their political opponents, Fatah. Were Gazans ignorant of the ideology of the creature called Hamas when they handed them power?

People should stop equating jihadis with civilians. Keep doing this and the suspicion about Muslim civilians having jihadi tendencies gains wider acceptance.

This is Hamas vs Israel, not Palestine vs Israel.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip

You mean the hamas created and promoted by the Israeli government?[0]

> Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric. [1]

[0] https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c... [1] http://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http://online.wsj....

> You mean the hamas created and promoted by the Israeli government?

Yes. Every power employs divide-and-rule as a policy to control their opponents. When their opponents fight each other, a lot of their resources would be too tied up to fight Israel.

The sooner the West realises that jihadis are not their allies and cannot be controlled, the better.

By the west here, you mean Israel?

> By the west here, you mean Israel?

And the US, which did very similar things when it funded Osama Bin Laden and the Mujahideen during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

Are you really too dense to see how this same logic could be applied to justify acts that kill Israeli civilians, whose government has been killing Palestinians for decades, encroaching on their land, etc? Of course, your flaw is not logical, it is moral; you merely indulge a desire to take any excuse to dehumanize the Palestinians, the same way many on the other side will not admit the moral reality that attacks that target civilians are not a legitimate form of armed struggle, but merely satisfy their base desire for revenge.

This latest flare-up of violence has really gotten me fed up with the partisans of this conflict in a way that hasn't happened before. Each side is acting like the latest reprisal against them came out of nowhere, and is trying to solicit everyone else's sympathy while blatantly denying the other side's moral worth and their own side's moral transgressions. You all deserve each other. Leave the rest of us out of it.

> Are you really too dense to

If we're into idiotic questions, here's mine: Are you really a cat lover?

That's the whole point.

The Israeli President Says There Are No Innocent Civilians In Gaza. All water, food, and medicine are cut off. This is an open call for genocide.

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