Comment by tguvot | Hacker News Reader

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there are too many alternative facts in your post . i will refer to only one. or two

>It is literally the global trend in literacy throughout at the time. You could literally say the same thing about Japan, China, India.

gaza was both occupied by egypt and fenced off by egypt, unlike joran that annexed west bank. israel brought to gaza electricity, phones, sewage systems. built hospitals and schools. "global trends" do not make things happen. people make things happen

>Look at the west bank. Do you see hamas attacking from there? No. It is from Lebanon and Gaza. Why? Because Palestinians can actually have a life in the WestBank.

so, after Hamas massacred PA authority/PLO people in gaza (you know, throwing people from buildings, drugging them behind cars) in 2007, PA in west bank spends considerable efforts to eradicate hamas from west bank. Hamas is mortal enemy of PA in west bank. PA in west bank has deep security cooperation with Israel in order to deal hamas.

No hamas > no rockets&mortars flying to Israel > people can live a good life.

So please, don't confuse cause and consequences.

Take a look at this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_... and compare it to timeline at which blockade was established and try to see how many of those attacks took place from West Bank

> gaza was both occupied by egypt and fenced off by egypt, unlike joran that annexed west bank. israel brought to gaza electricity, phones, sewage systems. built hospitals and schools. "global trends" do not make things happen. people make things happen

Yea no. That is actually just not relevant. Once again, this is a global trend! Massive infrastructure projects, massive new investments in the economy. Post war economic miracle.

Global trends are literally set by people. Literacy rates were increasing rapidly during that time. Medical technologies saw massive investment and growth due to the experience of, and aftermath of a global war.

> so, after Hamas massacred PA authority/PLO people in gaza (you know, throwing people from buildings, drugging them behind cars) in 2007, PA in west bank spends considerable efforts to eradicate hamas from west bank. Hamas is mortal enemy of PA in west bank. PA in west bank has deep security cooperation with Israel in order to deal hamas.

This is literally my point! Israel can, and has that ability to fight Hamas in the west bank!

And now because Gaza is a convenient political tool, the PA have started losing votes to Hamas in recent elections in the west bank!

None of that would happen, were it not for keeping Gaza as a literal open air prison!

Your view is literally the opposite of reality.

> Good Life => No reason to join radical terrorist group => Hamas weakens.

on west bank 98% of job is done by PA. not by IDF. Its very rare occasion for Idf to get involved.

West bank and gaza in general are very different places with "different" population. I did hear in past sentiments from palestinians on west bank that gazans are uneducated animals. This can partly be attributed to what I wrote before: Jordan annexed west bank and kinda tried "uplift" population while Egypt let gaza rot for 20 years.

Israel couldn't handle hamas in gaza and this is why it pulled out. Just like it pulled out of south lebanon that had "sympathetic" south lebanon army.

After pulling out of gaza israel tried to keep control of gaza<>egypt border in order to prevent smuggling via tunnels but it wasn't sustainable without creating depopulated strip a couple of miles deep. there were considered "light versions" of it, but supreme court prohibited doing so and army realized that it pointless anyway. so israel pulled out of this area as well.

when israel pulled out there was expression "gaza can become either singapore or mogadishu, and it's up to gazans to decide". after israel pulled out all the agricaltural equipment that was left behind (also was controversial but there were hope that it will help to develop industry/economy) was trashed, houses were looted and hamas proceeded with shooting even more rockets and mortars.

> on west bank 98% of job is done by PA. not by IDF. Its very rare occasion for Idf to get involved.

That doesn't really change what I said? Israel and the Palestinian Authority both fight Hamas. But the state of Gaza is acting as a counter. It is slowly tipping the scales towards Hamas in the West Bank. Israel and PA cooperate when it comes to dealing with Hamas in the West Bank.

> when israel pulled out there was expression "gaza can become either singapore or mogadishu

This might just be the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard. Singapore is what it is due to it's geographical location and having a benevolent dictator. It is under all circumstances, impossible for gaza to become a singapore of the middle east.

That position is taken by the Suez Canal, which we all know is controlled by Egypt.

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