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> idea of hamas=bad

This is from the Hamas Charter: “The Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realization of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: ‘The day of judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jews will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say ‘O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.”[1]

Let HN readers decide for themselves if Hamas=bad is a fact or merely an idea.

[1] What Would Hamas Do If It Could Do Whatever It Wanted? (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/wh...)

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https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

this quote is a literal rendering of a quote of the islamic holy prophet who could or could have said this in some unknown context.

found this https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:4077

it says dai'f meaning weak tradition.

read this fully and then understand that this is being said by muslims that it is a weak tradition and is in all likelihood a falsehood ascribed to the holy prophet.

Why would hamas use it? maybe because it plays into their narrative but in no way it should be "taken" on face value by itself

> quote of the islamic holy prophet

What Mohammed did or said is not relevant here. That Hamas chose to use those specific words in their charter to convey their genocidal intent is. They could have quoted Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao for all I care. Or made up something of their own.

Jihadists and jihadi organizations always rely on Islamic history, writing and tradition because that makes it easier to rile up Muslims on issues that are otherwise irrelevant to them. Otherwise, why the f--- would you chant "from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free" or taunt Jews with "Khaybar" in a supposed rally in support for Palestine?[1][2] Or, use genocidal language in your charter?

Sam Harris, as quoted in the article above, is right: "People are capable of committing genocide. When they tell us they intend to commit genocide, we should listen." So, when Hamas quotes Mohammed (regardless of the authenticity of the quote), it should be "taken" at "face value."

[1] LILLEY UNLEASHED: Canadian citizens need to denounce Hamas (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXaZ9Uryis)

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

wow. you are this dumb

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