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Hey, I really appreciate the thoughtful response and guidance. That makes a lot of sense, thank you. Tapping my network is something I definitely underutilize as well and a good starting point.

I have done hourly contracting work in the past but found the projects troublesome or management unwilling to listen, or sometimes people taking advantage. It’s not so much finding the work that’s the issue, but more of a good fit that is worth my time and energy.

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There are benefits to charging hourly, if the customer doesn't want to listen, drags their feel or are simply indecisive who cares you just bill another hour, it doesn't matter if the project takes 6 weeks or 6 years as long as the check clears. On the other had I really dislike T&M gigs because I am really good at what I do and I bust my ass when I am engaged, working hourly is great for the customer and not so great for me. I am constantly asked how long it will take me to do this project or that project and if I give them a real number it's not worth our time to engage -we spend more time getting the sale than the actual service. That said the number only works for me, another consultant might take up to 5 times as long to do the same project due to lack of experience and the fact that they like to work slower. Fixed bid is great if you are allowed to knock things out but if it's a highly regulated site where everything requires a meeting or two go with th T&M.

True, but it gets into weird situations where say something can take me an hour that takes most people 3-4 hours. How do you bill in those scenarios? It rarely ever ends up fair to me vs what other people would likely charge.

That's where a flat rate comes in, it's $1000 if it takes an hour or a week. They are buying your knowledge as much as they are buying your time. I used to stand up equipment that my company charged ~$6000 for and I could do the job in about 2 hours, my company thought it took 4 days. Normally I'd take my time, do long lunches and knock it out in 2 days (it's hard to work that slow). Then one time I was in a pissy mood and knocked it out in 2h, I called up my boss to tell him I was done and I'd be on the next plane home -we had a good relationship so it we weren't at odds with each other but he asked me to look busy and not tell the customer that I was finished until the next day. I get it people think if you can do something quick that there's no value to it so when I do deliveries I try not make it look too easy and even if I can be done in 15 minutes I might take an hour or two.

You're welcome!

> found the projects troublesome or management unwilling to listen, or sometimes people taking advantage

You have two options: reject those projects, and prefer to work with people you've worked with in the past and trust (even if at a lower rate); or raise your rate for those projects until they either self-select out, or you feel like it's worth your time. :)

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