ACT test scores for U.S. students drop to a 30-year low
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> Many universities have made standardized admissions tests optional amid criticism that they favor the wealthy and put low-income students at a disadvantage. Some including the University of California system do not consider ACT or SAT scores even if submitted.
Anecdotally, I've talked to a few parents of HS students who saw these headlines and believed that standardized testing was no longer relevant. I'm not sure how many universities do or do not consider the ACT, but I suspect the downplaying has reduced people's urgency to prepare for it.
Now for purely anecdote-based speculation: I've seen a strange social-media fueled malaise overtake the high school aged kids I've worked with. Teenagers are naturally going through ups and downs, but there's something weird about social media that lets them find content to fuel their cynicism and disdain for society.
I'm not talking about the likes of Instagram, but rather the teenagers doomscrolling Reddit or TikToks about how society is crumbling, the world is ending, and there's no point to trying because "the American Dream is dead". Weirdly, this mentality was rampant among the computer science students I talked to, who were seemingly unaware that they were on track to earn a decent living with one of the most comfortable careers around. Shaking them of this belief felt like an impossible task when they were just going to go back to their homes and doomscroll Reddit for hours every day. I have no doubt this doomerism is playing into a decreased motivation to study and prepare for anything among a large subset of students.
If you are white or Asian and do not submit SAT/ACT, your application goes to trash right away - there are enough candidates with stellar SAT/ACT to pick from. So SAT/ACT is still very relevant but only for part of population.
Do you have literally any proof of this?
Also, The Establishment dislikes social media being used by young people because they like complete control of the flow of ideas into the brains of young people.. and the establishment wants to limit idea transmission to the educational curriculum and Hollywood entertainment, which they control completely.. they have tried to control social media but they cannot control it completely, so they're trying to shut it off for young people so that no unapproved ideas can get into their heads
That is of course on top of climate change, war, housing prices, political insanity... all being front and center every day. Don't know how I would try to convince them otherwise either...
The non-standardized parts of the application process are becoming much easier to game, and parents/students are getting much better at it. I've even seen students set up "charitable foundations" or their own "startups" that were little more than shells set up by their parents with a quick website. "Looks good on an application!" was the refrain.
https://www.axios.com/2023/10/11/act-test-scores-lowest-2023
Before Covid it was normal noise, it goes a bit up and down, it started to go outside the normal range when Covid started 2020.
This is coming from someone whose "Google classroom content" was chromebooks connected to our teacher's Drive; if there's some cursed Google Blackboard-competitor then maybe a return to physical books could be justified!
They had lower excess deaths from 2020-2022, which is good. But they also had significantly higher COVID deaths in vulnerable populations in 2020, mostly the elderly, which could have lead to the lower excess deaths in 2021-2022, because those elderly people were expected to die in those years anyway, leaving headroom for other excess deaths that wouldn't show up.
Economically and educationally they seemed to fare about the same as their neighboring nordic countries with stricter policies.
So right now it looks like they had about the same results as their neigbors, but sacrificed some of their elderly a few years earlier than they would have died anyway.
* A lot of parents treat schools as daycare rather than a place to learn. They're more disengaged than ever when it comes to helping out their kid, for fairly guessable reasons.
* There's been a lot of political attacks on our schooling systems which results in discouraging or outright convincing teachers to leave. Teachers are retiring and we're not replacing them with similarly passionate teachers
* The usual pay issues
* School admins hide a lot of trouble boiling underneath the surface because they're afraid of lawsuits. One example is that more and more kids are bringing guns to school [1].
* Private schools are growing in popularity which pulls funding from public schools due to school voucer programs despite a lot of private schools not having the same level of oversight or level of teaching
As a result we're seeing literacy rates decline [2] and in general students are simply just not graduating as capable as they were before. We're failing the next generation and the fix requires radically improving and funding our public school systems.
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/10/10/guns-sch...
[2] https://www.npr.org/2023/06/22/1183653578/u-s-reading-and-ma...
Most public school teachers are great people and do their best to educate every student. But a small minority of teachers, and a larger number of the administrators and union leaders whom they answer to, increasingly see schools as a channel to indoctrinate students on controversial social and political issues. It only takes one encounter with a situation like that to turn a parent off of public schooling entirely and move their child to a private school that better aligns with their values.
California has also banned suspending students for willful defiance. While those suspensions were over used in some schools, they did at least serve to get disruptive students out of the way so that others could learn. So, the situation here is likely to deteriorate further.
https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/california-law-wil...
Who could have imagined these results?
I witnessed this in my own household. My ex-gf had 2 kids by birth and 2 more that were adopted because her sister is an addict. Her idea of raising those kids through school was to wait until she saw bad grades from her eldest and then go to the school to blame the teacher. Mine was to actually sit with them and force them to do their assignments and study, which was especially helpful for the eldest adopted child, who was dyslexic. I grew up in a two parent, college graduate household. She grew up in a single parent household. Our differences in parenting style (we were living together for 7 years) had something to do with our breakup. I was demanding where it benefitted the kids and their future. She was demanding when it benefitted her (getting out of doing things around the house by making them do it).
Her eldest son is gifted and motivated and will probably do just fine. The others? Her eldest daughter is an excuse machine and the other one is just behind because of her dyslexia. Those kids have a ton of potential, they just need attention to reach it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latchkey_kid
Is minimal parental involvement a new thing?
In 35 years, we've gone from kids having to do and show their own work to looking up answers online for everything and shortcutting their way through their educations because their parents aren't participating.
GP was asking for data and your provided anecdotes. It seems the issues in our education systems go back to when you were in them.
Perhaps a noteworthy aspect to consider is the ratio of school-required test takers that might not be prepared vs prepared takers.
This is because the ACT is a test where the score varies greatly depending on preparation. (For example, I scored 27 on my first practice test, and after 5 more practice tests increased that to 34.)
So perhaps one possible explanation is that there were more school required unprepared test takers and fewer prepared test takers this year.
I hope they don't make the ACT easier as compensation. I feel that the ACT is almost "too easy" already. For example, I would not consider myself academically talented (graduated mid tier public university with 3.5 GPA in electrical engineering), but I was able to get a 34 ACT after doing 6 practice tests. Also keep in mind that you can retake the ACT or SAT as many times as you desire. Thus, I feel like it looses its predictive qualities due to being so easy to score highly (if you prepare for it).
Hard to measure both the drift in the test, and the drift in what the students learn. Maybe there is a mismatch.
There is also a moratorium on admissions at the moment and the ACT is not mandatory for the first time - which might skew results.
Edit0: This seems to not be the case for all states
Edit1: Some schools have a moratorium - I misread.
Edit: Just checked a couple states that had 90%+ participation, and the decline seems to hold.
Alabama 2017: 19.2
Alabama 2022: 18.0
Wisconsin 2017: 20.6
Wisconsin 2022: 19.4
Wyoming 2017: 20.2
Wyoming 2022: 19.2
People would really like it to be underfunding. Teachers are somewhat underpaid, but where I live they get a pretty good salary. The real issue is that teachers have no autonomy to teach, they spend their time filling out forms and checking boxes and they can be told what's what by administrators. They also have no tools for classroom control, even in situations where students are doing things that would be crimes if done by adults. It's impossible to perform well in those circumstances, and most self-respecting people wouldn't work under those conditions. And this is reflected in abysmal teacher retention.
Where I live, schools spend $38,000 per year per student. It's not underfunding that's the issue, it's some really bad ideas and a kind of willfully ignorant utopianism.
Baltimore City Schools received 29 federal Covid grants totaling $799M to fight learning loss. Yet, in 2023, just 9.1% of all 3rd-8th graders tested proficient in math. MEANING, taxpayers gave an additional $799M and 91% of Baltimore students are NOT math proficient.
New test scores, known as MCAP (Maryland Comprehensive Assessment Program), obtained by Project Baltimore, revealed that 23 schools, including elementary, middle, and high schools, had not one student that could do math at grade level.
Calverton school (https://www.niche.com/k12/calverton-elementary-middle-school...)
A Calverton educator, who reached out to Fox45, claims to have received that text. “[It instructed me to] go into my grade book, make sure no students are failing, and essentially change the grade if they are failing so they will pass with a 60 percent,” said the teacher, whose identity we are concealing upon request.
“I was frustrated as a teacher. We’re public servants. And when we see things like grade changing, that’s self-serving. That’s not helping the kids.”
After watching Fox45’s recent investigations into allegations of grade changing at Calverton, the City Schools employee contacted Project Baltimore to say a couple things. First, according to the teacher, grade changing at Calverton is “very common.”
Second, the educator told Fox45, changing grades is the easiest and fastest way to pass more students, which makes the school and its administrators look better. But, it does a huge disservice to not just the kids, but our entire community.
“Teaching a whole generation of kids that they don’t have to be accountable for their actions, or that hard work isn’t valued or valuable when they are in school, is so discouraging and damaging.”
Adding insult to injury, the same teacher said that he even passed kids who had been on his roster all year but didn’t bother to show up for a single day of class.But this teacher says grade changing at Calverton goes much further than just taking a failing grade and making it a 60. Some students who pass, according to this educator, don’t even have grades because they’ve never showed up to class.
“There were students on my roster all year that I had never met, had never seen. On paper they passed my class and passed onto the next year.”
“I love my job and I love my students,” concluded the teacher. “I want to see the students at Calverton and other schools across the city, get a fresh start. And it’s going to be hard because the students are used to this now. But the students deserve better and our city deserve better.”Only 9% testing proficient is horrifying, and every teacher and administrator involved should be replaced. It's hard to compare teaching to a corporation, but whenever you have a metric that you only hit 9% on, you wouldn't wouldn't last long.
He will never be able to match a teachers pension with 401k though...he might regret it when he is still working and his teacher friends have retired
With expected lifespan, a teacher pension can be worth over a million dollars...zero chance a 401k will deliver half that for most salaries
They also get more than a month of vacation during the school year: 1 week in fall, 2 weeks in winter, 1 week in spring, plus state holidays.
Even with mandatory continuing education (which many jobs require), government teachers are still getting a few months of vacation. It's not comparable to folks who have to work 11+ months every year.
Education and learning is a skill that's transferred in a very large part from parents.
No it isn't. Being able to impregnate a woman or give birth does NOT magically make you a great teacher! My mother has an innate gift for teaching, and she STILL benefited from 4-6 years of college courses and continual training and improvement over the 30 years she taught and is still teaching.
Meanwhile, the entire time she has taught, parents have done everything they can to shift blame from bad home life and kids that don't value education to "you aren't doing enough" even as she literally buys her students winter coats, from her own pocketbook, as the school doesn't even buy her new markers for her whiteboard or new material so she can stop using 25 year old VHS tapes that are literally losing their contents from normal wear, even as she is one of the favorite teachers in the entire school system because of her immense empathy, even as "bad kids" do very well in her class because of how sincere she is, how much she cares, and how good she is at her job.
People say "We've increased so much what money we give to schools" completely ignoring that the money has NOT been distributed in any sort of even way, and even in my state which has largely good outcomes for education, the vast majority of the funding goes to a couple prestige schools in the south that were already rich because they are in rich towns, and the little money that trickles to the impoverished schools in the rest of the state largely goes to paying administrators led by superintendents that are just whoever the "Good old boys" were twenty years ago. Actual teacher pay has not kept up with inflation.
I'm so sick of all this teacher blaming bullshit around education. Actually trained teachers have been shouting about what they need to improve things for decades, and none of the managerial class has given them even a shred of what they actually need, while everyone continues to blame them, and have even claimed public education is just indoctrination. It's infuriating.
Education is a skill, a professional and knowledge based skill. Teachers aren't baby sitters, and if you decide you only need a high school degree to teach, don't be surprised when it goes poorly.
Most any parent (or most any relative or family friend) without training is able to do the first form of education due to how much time they can spend and the existing relationship, but they will not be able to do the second. There is a limit on how much education they can give based on their own knowledge, but even without training they can still teach the basics they know and instill a desire to learn.
We can't scale this. We can't hire enough teachers to work with students 1 on 1 in the same way parents can. We have to have experts who work with groups of students to continue their education into more advance knowledge. But even these experts can't do the entire process of education, at least not with the class sizes they are currently being given.
1 on 1 is not necessary. Even one on ten is probably not necessary. One on twenty for the average case is effective, while "trouble kids" get smaller class sizes. School boards never approve that though.
https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d21/tables/dt21_208.40.a...
The lower test scores is doubtlessly multivariate. But one variable is indeed brain damage:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/does-covid-19-d...
(Don't get overly worried. If you're vaccinated, odds are high your brain won't be and hasn't been measurably damaged.)