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I'd also add that, as much as many engineers hate the fact, marketing is very necessary to sell things to the general market. It's also a real skill set to figure out how to market things well. Even more so when trying to sell technical capabilities.

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I doubt it's "we need marketing to sell stuff" that engineers hate, but rather the seemingly inevitable "marketing lies about what our product does".

I certainly don't hate that fact at all. What I hate is that marketers very often lie and misrepresent.

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