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The people in nordic countries seem so naive to me. They trust their governments, their authorities to do this stuff, to both determine the greater good and then implement it. The political class couldn't possibly act immorally, for their own benefit, apparently.

Whereas the reality is that these actions are preplanned internationally and designed (by opaque agencies such the club of Rome and the UN) in order for individuals to have less control over their lives - shifting that control to the governance structure. Did anyone discuss the transfer of control, agree to it, vote on it?

It's quite amazing to me that people are going to lose freedom of movement, will pay more etc and be happy to do so. Turkeys voting for Christmas.

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> The people in nordic countries seem so naive to me. They trust their governments, their authorities to do this stuff, to both determine the greater good and then implement it. The political class couldn't possibly act immorally, for their own benefit, apparently.

Not everyone is happy with this change, if that makes you feel better.

Also, this is implemented by the city, by real people (yes, politicians are people) that Stockholmers voted for.

Political class as a concept doesn't make much sense in Sweden, just FYI.

US seems to be an exception in the developed world with such high distrust of the government.

It's probably a self-fulfilling expectation: the government can't be effective without trust. Without support, it can't pass strong regulations that make a difference. So you get an ineffective government, and watered-down lobbied laws that easily fall to regulatory capture, and you can say "told you so!"

I guess, though there’s a lot more money at stake. The US federal government is probably the most powerful bureaucracy in human history (and certainly among the biggest). I trust my local and state governments way more. But I wouldn’t trust them to run the whole country. Scale seems to matter a lot.

> It's quite amazing to me that people are going to lose freedom of movement

This isn't what "freedom of movement" means.

You know what's even more shocking about the attitude of the nordic countries? It works pretty nicely, try visiting those places.

The huge oil reserves and tiny population make it much easier to give everyone a good quality of life...

It also masks the effects of inefficient decisionmaking.

Only Norway has oil so, Denmark Sweden and Finland much less so.

https://geology.com/usgs/oil-shale/estonia-sweden-oil-shale....

And just how much money are tzey making of that? Oil nation money?

It depends a little bit on what you're counting. Prospecting and extracting oil is illegal as of july last year (SFS 2022:728), but Sweden is exporting a fair amount of refined petroleum.

But those countries are socialist hell holes! /s

Of course they are not, and trusting the government to do the right thing isn't too bad a position neither. After, we vote for them.

These people did vote in their governments, and for the most part they're happy with the decisions of those they voted in.

It seems that more and more conspiracies are leaking to HN, sad really.

Do you think that conspiring doesn't occur? Do you think the media will inform you about what is going on at a supra-national level?

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