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Question is where do they go and will they find a better place than Toronto. I haven't been there, however it looks like a reasonable place to live. There is everything a young person would want. Everyone is fleeing everywhere then they don't find what they were looking for then they flee back.

As a person living in the border of middle east, Toronto is a place that people would like to migrate.

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Just for context I live in Montreal about 6 hours east and have most of the same job prospects but just to quote the very first source I found:

“ You would need around 8,129.0C$ in Toronto to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 6,400.0C$ in Montreal “

And I really do feel that as a recent graduate I pay for a 1 bedroom apt what some friends in Toronto pay to share a 5 bedroom house it’s a big investment for a young person just to live there

There are other cities that have what Toronto offers, or even more opportunities even, for cheaper.

Toronto isn't that great.

No where in Canada has what Toronto offers. Toronto is pretty great, still probably makes sense to live elsewhere though for a lot of people.

This is such nonsense.

What exactly is it that Toronto has you can't get anywhere else?

The Blue Jays? The Raptors?

That's pretty much it I'm sure.

If you're gonna tell me some nonsense about the culture of the city being so unique, save it. Every city has nightclubs and concerts and art shows and theater plays and other artsy stuff.

Every city has a food scene nowadays too, and fancy cafes and whatever else.

Toronto isn't that special.

Best sporting events in Canada, biggest cultural events, the target for most Canadian musicians so you end up with both all the major touring acts as well and tons of smaller local shows every night. Professionally it's the place to be in Canada if you're in film, music, tech, finance, bio, and I'm sure a few more.

Food scene is great, hockey scene is amazing even if we do have the Leafs.

As much of a joke as the saying is, it really is the centre of the universe in Canada and benefits from the perception of such.

You have to be super bitter to say Toronto isn't actually that special in Canada, go watch Everyone hates Toronto or something.

I'm just going to go ahead and assume you've never been to any other cities in Canada. You're clueless if you think they do have food scenes, hockey scenes, major touring acts as well as tons of local shows every night, etc.

Even Victoria, which is tiny compared to Toronto, has all of that.

And amazing cultural festivals too.

Please leave your bubble once in a while.

It's the size, frequency and diversity that is unique to Toronto on top of the job market and cultural centres.

So all those cities have the same things but in much smaller quantities and generally missing out on larger events which Toronto is never skipped for.

I don't live in Toronto and haven't for more than short stints in nearly 25 years. Toronto is a great city. Vancouver is a beautiful boring sprawl and it's got some great things within a short drive. Montreal has a good cultural scene but fails on the job market. All the rest of the cities are too small to compare.

Other parts of Canada aren't terrible and definitly make more sense than Toronto for a lot of people. But Toronto has a combination of things that no other city in Canada compares to and to deny that is to be delusional.

Having lived in Victoria, Ottawa, and Toronto there’s no way in hell can you even put those in the same league, not even close to what Toronto has to offer. I’m gonna have to turn the assumption towards you and assume you’ve never lived in Toronto yourself, maybe just visited and toured the trifecta of the CN tower, Ripley’s, and Niagara Falls.

Way too expensive

I think it's much more expensive to be a migrant. You do know how to live cheaper in your native country. It's difficult for a foreigner to learn those later.

Natives know how to live cheaper in this country: move away from Toronto.

Seems like a false dichotomy to me.

- Spending money for language course

- You do not know the places for cheap prices

- Being a target for tourist scams

many other hidden costs I forgot to say

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