Comment by reacharavindh | Hacker News Reader

Comment by reacharavindh | Hacker News Reader

I have taken the car train from Hamburg to Vienna as a family. Pure luxury and comfort! We drive from Denmark to Hamburg(with a 2 year old), and load the fully packed car(stroller, luggages gifts for the in-laws etc) into the train at a special entrance, and walk into the coaches. We booked a private cabin/room for more privacy and also because we have a two year old. There were quite comfortable bunk booths as well in the same train.

Sleep comfortably through the night. The train movements are soothing after a while.

In the morning a serviceman in the train wakes us up with coffee and warm breakfast.

Before Noon, we were driving off at Vienna towards our destination- Salzburg.

I wish this facility existed everywhere - any major city to another major city across Europe. Imagine how many cars it would take off the road!

I really wish the European Union does more than what it already does to unify the train systems and invest heavily in passenger focussed train tracks all across Europe. Make us not want to drive!

No hours long security checks and walking in the airport. Comfortable train booths, save on hotel room costs by traveling overnight, bring a lot of luggage with you if you wish… what is not to like?! And by the way pollute less and not doom our planet.

This, like many other ideas combining cars and public transport, sounds like something that doesn't scale. The exact numbers vary, but the passenger capacity of a car train is usually something like 1/2 of a normal night train or 1/3 of a normal day train, assuming that the train is fully dedicated to carrying people with cars. You also need special facilities and longer stops, because cars can't just dismount at normal platforms in a couple of minutes. On popular routes, this all means that you take more cars off the road by not carrying cars on the train.

This implies that rail is running at capacity during the night, which I suspect isn’t true.

It’s not a choice between 1 car-train or 1 normal night train - you can have both if there is line capacity.

And you probably aren’t running sleeper carriages during peak hours.

> This implies that rail is running at capacity during the night, which I suspect isn’t true.

cry-laughs in German Oh hell yes we do run at nominal capacity, actually often enough above. The transit routes are fully booked all times of the year, the demand for freight transit is insane, and every bordering country is complaining that we can't get our shit together (to no one's surprise after 30 years of perpetual budget cuts).

The problem is: virtually all trans-European routes run through Germany. You can't avoid running through here.

That's like a lot of half knowledge someone would get by just listening to the media and anecdotal evidence. The net is not at capacity especially not at night. The freight trains that run at night have peak network capacity of only 30% even on high traffic routes like Hamburg - Berlin. There are close to no passenger cars running at night. At least inform yourself before writing a comment in the tonal voice you did.

Many German lines are running at 125% of capacity and above, including at night.

I do feel like rail in general isn't running anywhere near capacity. If it was optimized better with modern fluid signaling system, "packet based" routing of individual carriages, and way shorter headways, I think 10x the amount of cargo could be squeezed through.

And yet car+sleeper trains were pretty common until relatively recently! (edit: in Europe)

The specialized stops are an issue (and have gotten very rare), but the speed limit from the car train is an issue but especially the highly cyclical nature of the demand for car transport on night trains, much more so than normal sleeper trains. Most of the rolling stock used for transporting cars is very old and not getting replaced (because you can't recoup the cost), while there have been quite a few orders for new sleeper trains.

People mostly won't take their cars. Some will, but it will be much cheaper to hire cars at both ends.

The future of personal transport is not IMO private personal cars, but this will help the transition

> I wish this facility existed everywhere - any major city to another major city across Europe. Imagine how many cars it would take off the road!

>> You also need special facilities and longer stops, because cars can't just dismount at normal platforms in a couple of minutes.

So what? Point-to-point with no stops in between. Works for the chunnel, too.

Something like this would cost $1000 in Australia

We have it - closer to $5000. https://aussietrains.com.au/the-ghan

Trust me this is not the cross continent train that you have in Australia, this is a dumpy Euro train and Austria is a dirty old hole.

Tell me you've never been on an railjet without telling me...

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