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>jFYI "You Americans" have no special rights and cannot do anything to disenfranchise.

We Americans can certainly, should we choose to do so, reduce or even eliminate the entry of South Indians or any other nationality/ethnicity. That is not an American peculiarity, but that of any nation to protect its borders as it sees fit. It goes back as far as the concept of the Westphalian state, and really much further than that.

That some Americans deny or have forgotten that we have this right—no, obligation—does not mean that it does not exist.

If there is a real problem with caste-based discrimination among and between South Asians in the US, I am pretty sure (at least, I hope) that it is not being committed by the American-born among them.

>Free speech rights granted by the US constitution doesn't care if you are a citizen or not.

I am not talking about censorship.

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Sure in theory “you Americans” can also storm the Capitol and burn the constitution and the institution - it is all democracy after all. In practice though you just have to bend the knee and work your ass for your paycheck like the rest of us. Your pipe dream is based on racism and while you are hallucinating, the rest of the hard working immigrants are just making their lives better. Just get back to work.

> I am not talking about censorship.

So the following is a snippet from your earlier comment where you are clearly saying that arguers as well as the arguments should not be in the US in the first place.

>> I know. I am going further, and stating that if South Asians are arguing in the US about the existence and extent of caste-based discrimination, and it's gotten to the point that a law was proposed and almost enacted, maybe we Americans should question whether we should have the arguers, as well as the arguments, in the US in the first place.

Since you specifically mention arguments, please tell us how is this not asking for censorship?

> Since you specifically mention arguments, please tell us how is this not asking for censorship?

Not at all. I am saying that

* if there is a real problem with caste-based discrimination between South Asians (as one not such, I have to go by anecdotes and reports), then

* one possible outcome is to prevent further entry by South Asians and, perhaps

* the revoking of visas of the non-citizen South Asians already in the US

The third step isn't so important; as I noted elsewhere, if caste-based discrimination exists in the US I expect the US-born children of South Asian immigrants to not participate, so if there is a problem it will work itself out as long as it is not constantly refreshed by newcomers. Regardless, revoking visas is not censorship, any more than any other country doing so for any other non-citizens living among them means those noh-citizens are being censored; expelling non-citizens for any reason that the state deems is reasonable is, again, a fundamental right of the Westphalian state.

That's it. Nowhere, despite your and others' fevered imaginations, have I proposed violating the First Amendment or the revoking of US citizenship from those of South Asian ethnicity.

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