Sqrt(x*x+y*y)+3*cos(sqrt(x*x+y*y))+5 from -20 to 20
google.com
google.com
Google's doesn't require a 250mb plugin to become interactive (just a webgl capable browser...). And it seems to be about 8 times faster than W|A...
W|A still does a lot of things other sites don't do, but it tends to be unusably slow, and inconsistent (running same query twice in a row will sometimes not give all of the same results).
I figure the end is probably closer than one might expect for W|A. They don't seem to be moving quick enough to stay infront of the curve forever. Also, the site is becoming littered with obtrusive ads, and that's a pretty negative experience. (I also hear Wolfram's company may be struggling.)
This should have been praise for Google's new tool, but it turned into a rant on Wolfram|Alpha... whoops.
And in the end, it is a win / win for users. I am always happy when the insanely smart people at Google have hard things to implement like this than how to integrate the posts of my friends on Google+ into my search results for a unicode table.
I think W|A could have been a great tool for this kind of thing but instead it tried to cover every subject instead of doing one thing well.
(For those interested: the relevant syntax is
Integrate[x^2, x]
or Integrate[x^2, {x, 0, 1}]
You can find more Mathematica at http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/guide/Mathematica.h...; searching the Mathematica docs is often easier than figuring out which textual query Wolfram|Alpha understands.)I don't think people understand how noxious this registration-obession is, especially when you need utilize it to access basic functionality.
I don't really go to W|A anymore unless there's something specifically math or statistics related that I'm looking for. That action killed any kind of casual use for me.
Firefox (11) has no such issues and renders just fine for me.
But Chrome now supports software rendering through swiftshaders which should help those people.
I for one agree with you, even with the issue of webgl capable hardware is much better than having to deal with huge plugins. (I'm biased, I use WebGL for my current work).
[Disclaimer: I know absolutely nothing about the internals of WebGL, and I don't mean this to come off as a criticism.]
Does anyone know why it's so hard to get WebGL working on a lot of systems?
I'm just sort of surprised; I remember doing a lot of OpenGL projects many years ago (back when I still used Windows), and I never seemed to have any problems getting them running pretty much anywhere, regardless of graphics card or whatever. Even crappy systems with integrated graphics always seemed to do just fine.
Is there something about WebGL that makes it more difficult to support a lot of systems, or is it just that it's relatively new and nobody's gotten to adding support yet?
Maybe I'm just missing something, but it seems I was punished for asking.
What you are missing is that if you don't have Wolfram Alpha Pro, the regular plain old Wolfram Alpha still plots it for you. It gives you a 3D view and a contour map, and throws in a couple series expansion and the derivative. You don't get the fancy interactivity without Pro, but you get to see what the thing is.
At Google, on the other hand, you either get the full 3D interactive experience, or you get "3D charts require a web browser and system that support WebGL".
>You were making unfounded assumptions (that enabling WebGL would be as trivial as installing Chrome)
No, I made the point that installing Chrome is trivial and the message explicitly states that your system simply might not be capable. If that's the case, what is Google supposed to do? Just render an empty grid and make a "whah-wha" noise?
>at the same time ignored the fact that you get highly useful results from WA without any plugins or bleeding-edge tech
No I didn't. At all. I am not saying this is an "answer" or a competitor to WolframAlpha. This is a trivial feature that was thrown in. It's non-essential and I bet you'll never ever see Google pushing a browser plugin on any of their sites save for some existing exceptions (Talk). As you've noted, there are tons of places to go besides Google for a 3d graph.
>Having good fallbacks is important.
When it doesn't require confusing your user, or compromising standards to ask them to install a gargantuan plugin.
edit: If the whole point of this was merely to clean up the error message or simply suppress it on unsupported browsers, then sure, but like I said, I genuinely just didn't understand the sarcasm, my apologies.
Yes you did:
"it seems easier still to download Chrome to do a 3d render then it is to buy WA pro "
That's why you were corrected. Stop trying to defend this forever and move on.
Oh for god's sake, give it a rest. I thought (and have clarified this twice now) that it was simply a remark about (in)capable browsers. I clarified (also twice) that if it's about the error message on incapable computers, that it could be better written and I apologized for my confusion.
For many people getting that error, simply installing Chrome is a viable solution.
>If the whole point of this was merely to clean up the error message or simply suppress it on unsupported browsers, then sure, but like I said, I genuinely just didn't understand the sarcasm, my apologies.
That's why I clarified and apologized (hint, that's the post you just replied to). Stop trying to attack me forever (for what I even acknowledged at the time was probably a misunderstanding) and move on.
I am running Chrome on a Thinkpad, so it's not like I can actually do anything to fix the error.
Just like code search, viable companies may fail due to Google toying with their entire industry, and then Google may just drop us back to the stone age in terms of that category of product. The fact that this is a fear at all points (in my mind) to some issues of monopoly.
Then again, maybe I'm just too cynical and worried.
IE6 back in the day was actually quite good. But because it was really good (among other other more shady things) everything else died off and it stagnated.
What I fear is google keeping us in a local maxima of search and having us stagnate there for a decade.
FB is holding us back because new, more innovative social networks can't get users to switch, for example.
Such as? Or perhaps what would be better is if you can name-check some networks and say what you find so innovative about them.
We're pioneering automatic analysis of new kinds of input, from images to long-form text to raw data (what I work on). We can out-innovate Google, even if they do a really nice job of copying our old ideas.
Of course, sometimes, like with Google Squared, they don't do such a nice job.
For some reason, every time I need information that makes me think "hey this would be the typical thing I'd expect W|A to be able to answer, I've seen it answer a similar question before" it hardly ever works ...
And I think a lot of that is due to how most of the demos I've seen are somewhat USA-centered and W|A doesn't have the same data when I query it for a European (or other) country.
How does that work? Because when I use Google or DuckDuckGo and look for that nation's bureau of statistics, fact sheet, even Wikipedia, the numbers are right there. Why is that? I thought W|A is supposed to index the calculatable knowledge for me so I don't have to search for it but instead can just run calculations with it?
Or does W|A just import complete available datasets and does not scrape the web for such data (even when it's in tabular form on an official government or university site)?
In which case, please get some more of those from non-US sources. Loads of governments opened up their data sources:
http://ckan.org/ <-- Germany, Netherlands, UK, France, Canada or are you using this one already? It's CC-BY-3.0 so there's no reason not to.
What monopoly? Google doesnt remotely have a monopoly on scientific visualisation, and a possible monopoly on search doesnt really overlap with that.
The problem small companies have with Google is Google's _size_, so many of their side projects are bigger than somebody else's entire business. This absolutely doesnt have anything to do with their headstart in search. Whatever project somebody else successfully starts, Google can simply outspend them and reach the goal first, but this isnt specific to Google, you have this problem with any other big solvent company. WA would have the same problem if a producer of toilet tissue with more cash reserves than WA suddenly decided to compete with WA.
If you then asked those people where they would search for an answer to a mathematical problem, or if they wanted to find the meaning of some math equation, it's not hard to believe that they'd google it. Even if they ended up on Wikipedia, they would probably use Google to get there. Before Google launched this feature, people would use the search to (hopefully) end up at Wolfram Alpha. Now, they are likelier (than before) to have their needs met by Google itself.
A monopoly on search is a monopoly on access to knowledge. If Google goes into competition with another provider of access to knowledge, they have a tangible head start. That's where I'm coming from -- I concur that search doesn't overlap with everything, but I think it overlaps at least a bit with this.
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=sin%285.5x%29*cos%285*...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=1%2F%20sin%2...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=sqrt%28x*x%2By*y%29%2B...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=5000-140*%28x*x%2By*y%...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=sin%28x^2%2By^2%29%2F%...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=tanh%28y%28y^4%2B5x^4-...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=%28x^2%2B%28%283+y%29%...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=sin%285.5x%29*cos%285*...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=100-3%2F%28sqrt%28x^2%...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=5+%2B+%28-sqrt%281-x^2...
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=100-3%2F%28sqrt%28x^2%...
On a more general note, this reminds me of old Microsoft's tactics. Google should really stick to the search, but instead they throw together something that mimics competitor's feature. Something that looks more featureful and which is free, but upon closer inspection is effectively a half-ass effort, because it's an entirely different domain that's not their specialty.
[0] http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sqrt%28x*x%2By*y%29%2B3...
i keep hearing this. what makes you think they aren't? Google has a huge staff and equally huge revenues, i'm sure that if they thought search quality could be improved by throwing more engineers at it, that's what they would do.
as long as they employ a lot of engineers, why not have some them working on cool things like this? i see this more as a demonstration of webgl and non-flash tech than an attack on W|A
And gets a graph of the equation as the top result, are you claiming that this is a poor search experience? Are you claiming that this is a bad result?
If not, how is this feature not an improvement to search? How is this not "sticking to search"?
Note - I was not involved in any way with this feature, or with search quality in general
Who cares if it's trivial? It's functional, fast, convenient and doesn't require a bunch of cruft. Kinda damages your quasi-rant to find out that you simply... didn't compare the graphs over the same interval. I don't know why every small feature that Google adds is either apparently out of fear of someone who's hardly a competitor or is proof that Google is the next Microsoft (which is a useless statement anyway).
This all just reminds me how truly sad HN's markup is. I can't even escape the multiplication in the query for Google to get it to render properly (I replaced it with a Goo.gl link).
text with * signs that doesn't get italicized *Edit: Here's the official announcement http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2012/03/graphing-on-googlec...
Elasborations - https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&pws=0....
what i made for the lulz: https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=sqrt(x*...
sqrt(xx+yyy)+3cos(sqrt(xx+yy))+5
EDIT: I really doesn't work because "NVIDIA cards with nouveau drivers in Linux are crash-prone." Firefox has no trouble, strangely.
Courtesy of Firefox 11.
(edit) Apparently webgl.force-enabled needs to be set to true in about:config, and then it works.
It wasn't working in Firefox 6, but then flipping the flag fixed it.
I am also using Firefox on Linux and was actually suprised this worked. I assumed WebGL was still disabled by default for us.
[75:75:1827873622829:ERROR:command_buffer_proxy.cc(110)] Could not send GpuCommandBufferMsg_Initialize.Shame that my favourite browser doesn't support WebGL. :( But props to Google for making their search engine that much cooler.
Chrome 18 on Ubuntu 11.04 with real crappy Intel Mobile 4 Chipset and it works.
However, since it's on an eeePC netbook the animations way to slow to be useful.
WebGL is definitely not disabled. You either disabled it or your GPU is not on the whitelist (or is on the blacklist).
>WebGL: Unavailable. Hardware acceleration unavailable
Chrome sadness.
I thought Page spoke to Jobs and got a lesson in 'focus' ?
If Google really comes up with a viable competitor to W|A, with all the datasets, math, etc., that's one thing. Just copying the shiniest toy feature is a little dull...
On the website it rotates automatically and you can also control it manually, it's not static like in the screenshot.
Nonetheless, my day-to-day search traffic is still being offloaded to DuckDuckGo and my day-to-day image traffic is still going to Blekko. It's not you, it's me.
Today I mainly use Yahoo's image search for images.
Disabling JS on Google Search (with Opera's site-specific preference or NoScript) also does a lot of good to make this once-great search engine somewhat more usable (not for the results, of course, but at least it's not continuously stealing input focus and mucking up its own search results as you try to navigate with your browser's keyboard shortcuts).
Name: i jump
Location: https://blekko.com/ws/%s/images
Keyword: i
Thus it dynamically gets rewritten to "https://blekko.com/ws/cute%20ducky/images as it should.As you can see, I call these "jumps" and I have a bunch of them. 'o drostie' takes me to http://www.drostie.org/ for example. 'wik Aharanov-Bohm Effect' takes me to the SSL-enabled Wikipedia pages (which used to be in a very ugly place, secure.wikimedia.org, but have now been moved to en.wikipedia.org like you'd expect). There's "def" to define a word, "ety" to look up its etymology, "ark" to look something up in the Wayback Machine, and of course, "s" to search. I like the idea of verbs in my URL bar.
I can also recommend making shorcuts for "feeling lucky"-type searches:
http://www.google.com/search?q=%s&btnI=yes
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!+%s
go immediately where you want to go (provided your query is specific enough to be the first hit)
For the rest of you who are unlucky like me, here's a GIF a Redditor kindly posted: http://i.imgur.com/58mgx.gif
Would be nice if it had a color bar (legend) to see which color is which value, though. The red/green/blue used below the graph for the axes ranges looks like one, and that is a bit confusing.
Relevant xkcd: http://xkcd.com/768/
sqrt(xx+yyy)+3cos(sqrt(xx+yy))
http://www.google.co.il/search?q=5000-140*%28x*x%2By*y%29%2B...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_hat_potential#A_pedagog...