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I personally agree that the death penalty shouldn't be a thing, but if a court only sentenced definitely guilty people who committed very heinous crimes to death, why is the death penalty barbaric in that case? (Not leading you on, just wondering what your take on this is.)

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Definitely guilty meaning what?

A full confession that is never retracted?

What about cases where an innocent person is coerced into thinking they are guilty?

In a world where we accept the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, where does this certainty of guilt arise?

I don't see how Heisenberg comes into this. I'm intentionally excluding anyone who definitely wouldn't deserve the dealth penalty as a premise. I mean someone who is determined guilty by an oracle, or if that doesn't satisfy you, a person who had intent and premeditation, and is acting alone.

There are crimes with dozens of witness clearly seeing the perp, caught on camera, etc. That's what they're talking about.

State-sanctioned murder is still murder, whichever way you cut it. It is an interesting intellectual thought experiment, but I'll leave it at that.

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