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Rewind vs. Tab (A16Z vs. Focused Team)

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I found it very fascinating the whole story about how Rewind backed by a16z gets suddenly hurt by a young entrepreneur. Hurt so deep they release not ready product to the market just to capture it. Whole story is about wearable devices.

detailed tweet with screenshots https://x.com/Karmedge/status/1708983277246132438

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Original trigger post trigger to rewind response by @AviSchiffmann

date: 1:12 PM · Oct 1, 2023

https://x.com/AviSchiffmann/status/1708439854005321954

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Rewind response next day by @dsiroker

date: 9:53 PM · Oct 2, 2023

https://x.com/dsiroker/status/1708933247902892412

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@AviSchiffmann response to provocation:

10:49 PM · Oct 2, 2023

https://x.com/AviSchiffmann/status/1708947368333504616

Which horse you pick in the race?

This is bad PR for Rewind, they aren't the underdog they think they are.

For better or worse the rewind CEO seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder, that's probably good for the company near term, but it is funny and could cause strategic missteps if he thinks they need to "win" on too many fronts. He muted Avi's response on his announcement then went to multiple threads Avi was in and posted his product (mockup) as a response. Just the other day he went from publicly sharing his deck and talking about how open he is because they build so well or something to complaining about copycats.

I think that they are fighting a battle on too many fronts for a very new company, and getting into hardware tends to be a death knell, so we'll see if it matters. I'm just hoping Mac can basically do what they do but built in to the OS without requiring a 3rd party, seems doable.

They're also the same company that touts privacy so much that people don't realize their queries and context for those queries go to openai.

Their privacy marketing is in clear contradiction of their privacy policy.

Homepage marketing: For your privacy, all of the recordings are stored locally on your Mac.

Privacy policy: We will collect ... text-based conversions of audio and video files on your machine.We may disclose any data you input into Ask Rewind with OpenAI to help generate content and responses based on user inputs.

Elad Gil: "Rewind’s privacy-first approach is a compelling way to offer truly personalized AI." Really?

it seems like false advertising to me despite whatever lawyer speak or faqs they add. I've spoken to multiple people who swear everything stays on device and distrust openai, yet don't realize their local data is shuttled to openai as context for questions. this is AI, so what data you send to openai isn't really controlled either despite what the ceo might say

That’s standard OpenAI api wrapper spiel: “We’re privacy-first, but we share all your data with OpenAI”.

Interesting that founders with venture-backed businesses tend to react in bizarrely shitty ways.

(Rewind CEO here) I’ve been at this for a while: https://x.com/dsiroker/status/1708997628506292255

you have, so can you share why your privacy advertising doesn't align with your use of openai? you aren't running local llms, you even at one point tried to use openai's marketing term to get some more hype (ChatGPT for me), so why hype up the AI side while also advertising privacy when the two don't work together?

I don’t like the concept of sharing my data to anyone. Especially all parts of my life

I think rewind has big advantage here. Though small team execution may play crucial role.

Reminds me of Spotify creating dubbing for their podcasts and wondercraft (YC)

Why do you think rewind has a big advantage? Most of their tech seems to be using other people's APIs for OCR and transcription (Apple) and Q*A (OpenAI), how does that give them a hardware advantage?

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