> I mean, arguments about the difference between the two are interesting in an academic sort of way if you're into Marxist theory, but the USSR called itself a union of socialist states. North Korea's constitution says it's a socialist state. Etc. They are very clear on this point. They are socialists, these are countries run by scholars of Marx and that's the term they use.
You’re just continuing on the path of self-identification. Would you call North Korea democratic just because that’s what they call themselves?
If not, then why not when you seem to have no qualms calling them socialist because on the basis that they call themselves that in their constitution?
> You can get into endless arguments about how they are No True Socialists but it just ends up being like a word game.
You paint it as some sort of semantics game, meanwhile both socialism and communism are well defined.
Notwithstanding the different flavors, they all have certain elements in common as a fundamental requirement and no amount of trying to fit the Soviet shaped peg into a round hole changes that.
> That's why the European parties that lean in that direction tend to cast themselves as "social democratic", a different term
I understand that you use the word “tend” to hedge your bets, but your comment here implies a certain amount of ubiquity and lack of parties trying to distance themselves.
The reality is that that Europe has a slew of socialist parties that aren’t hiding it either, they’re often called “Socialist Party” in their respective language. Hell there are even some communist parties.
And it’s not like they don’t occupy any seats in the respective parliaments either. Most of these parties have significant presence in parliaments and at other levels.