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Bruno – Opensource, sustainability, privacy, freedom and incentives

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Sadly, the problem I see with Bruno is that users migrating from competition are actually low-value targets and would never pay for anything. Regardless with what happened to Postman and Insomnia, they didn't loose any significant market share (again, only a certain minority, which would never pay anyways). Most of the people will just accept the new conditions and go on. It's not worth the hassle for them to migrate

Good luck!

that rings true. and devs dont usually pay for dev tools. the only way I see them having any success is if they gain significant market adoption

however I applaud the effort trying to innovate in the saturated field. Almost every alternative on that list except thunder client is vc funded. I still can't wrap my head around postmans 5.6b val lol

Well, when they become/are the major player (close to monopoly) and then can ratchet up some enterprise crap, then do the 10% per year squeeze - well, that's what VCs believe in (and buy). A 10x multiple means they "only" need $500M TTM to justify to the next mark. And, these big valuation help with the IPO, loads of folk love to buy hyped up IPO.

It's convenience and nothing else that's all these tools have going for them. It's just to catch lazy bastards out who based their whole workflow on it. It's the scummiest way to do business and everyone associated with it gets on my private "Don't do business with"-list.

I appreciate there's a new tool in the block, but I still don't understand why none put JMeter as a competitor in this list.

I was using Postman myself and I got really upset about their change and forced limitations, on the other hand I understand their needs to charge people for monetisation.

The most upsetting thing about Postman was the impossibility to use multiple client certificates for TLS authentication, but only one for domain.

Although JMeter isn't as pleasant as the other tools are, speaking of UI, it is capable of supporting multiple protocols and there are no limitations in using TLS certificates or checks.

Interesting. glad to see the transparency. oss monetization is really hard.

sadly, most dev's don't pay for dev tooling.

really liking Bruno so far. Also I don't think a gui client would need vc funding. The pressure to show returns is what turns them to bloatware and saas.

I would pay for supporter edition if they go that route. tired of switching tools every 2 years.

There is no pressure if you don’t need much money and get it from right people, who know the deal upfront

Like? If I understand you raise outside only if you plan to scale and give a great return; otherwise it is better to bootstrap right?

Incorrect. At early stage, the funding is primarily so that the team can pay themselves a salary. They don’t expect any returns at that point. Most (96%) of the VC-funded startups do not make more than $1m revenue. Bootstrapping is in my opinion much worse, because you put your own capital at risk

Source: https://venturebeat.com/entrepreneur/getting-to-50-million-h...

Thanks for your vote of confidence!

That VC funding table is everything that's absurdly wrong with VC money. How TF is Postman worth $434M at $5.6B valuation?

To put things into perspective MS bought "GitHub" (which has a monopoly on oss hosting) in 2018 for 7.5b

and Postman (a gui client) is at 5.6b. mind-bogglingly insane. I'd love to be enlightened on why is postman valued so much. what is d endgame here?

I think the core reason is their monopoly and having over 20 million developers using their tool, and the hope that they can monetize this in future.

But yes $5.6b is nuts.

Although, it's "5.6" not 5.6. That 5.6 is a bag holder number. MS put 7.5B real dollars on the table. The VCs putting cash into postman at "5.6" are using heavy breathing and hand waving to explain the potential LTV of (apparently) 20m devs to the greater fool.

5.6 is the break even number for the VC fund. And given the the interest rate environment and the time horizon of realizing a return, 5.6 would be an embarrassing loss for the VC fund.

I miss the times when a piece of software, private or FOSS offered a stable version by months or years, now a project with months without an update is considered abandoned. I think all transient nature present in current society is easily found in software as well. An articial layer of constant and active maintenance is expected from any tool out there

We need to align incentives better. It's really hard to do this in opensource.

I hope Bruno can do that. I penned some thoughts here: https://github.com/usebruno/bruno/discussions/269

I like the simplicity of Bruno and that the author is aware why devs liked the Postman and Insomnia. I will wait however until it will mature a little more as my huge project in Insomnia can’t be imported (I guess because I left empty names to see directly URLs and Bruno doesn’t allow that).

Hi there! This is Anoop. Glad that you like Bruno. On the import issue you mentioned, its due to the architecture choice of Bruno where every request is stored on the filesystem as a file. I don't have a solution in mind, perhaps the a reasonable approach is to fallback to "Untitled" at the time of import.

How is Bruno different from using REST-Client or similar tools? Looks like it can’t handle RAML or OpenAPI so it can only be an additional tool, never the primary one. I really like what they are doing, especially with the CLI client but it’s not really an API documentation. The documentation feature in Postman was very nice, as OpenAPI is not powerful enough here

This was my first article that got to front page on HN! Thank you @ushakov for posting this.

Hey, if you don't mind some unpredictable donation/sponsoring, you could put up a bitcoin address (and optionally XMR and/or ETH, though those latter two may be a bit more friction for you if you're not already familiar).

Why did you choose the MIT license?

We don't talk about Bruno, no no....

We don't talk about Bruno ;)

Small typo: Corportate -> Corporate

Thanks. Fixed!

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