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America is not ideal by any measure, but China is extremely bad (I mean the current governmental system in China, obviously, not every person living there). And anybody who ignores that is either uninformed, or intellectually unable to comprehend the true state of matters - or, if previous knowledge precludes both possibilities, a China shill. Paid or voluntary - there could be options, a surprising number of people are shilling for a surprising variety of disgusting regimes out of varied logical twists they bound themselves into, but I don't see how one can escape that conclusion, given the available facts.

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You would be much more credible if you said how China is “bad” (which is a moral judgement anyway).

Instead you jumped straight to calling anyone who might disagree “uninformed”, a “shill”, and finally you admitted that you don’t understand how someone can hold a different view than you.

It doesn’t inspire confidence in your analytical ability.

> which is a moral judgement anyway

There seems to be a certain subset of the HN population that thinks that "morality" is somehow a bad thing.

Morality may be subjective and not "analytical", but it's also completely unavoidable to being a human person, and debates about moral behaviour are absolutely integral to human societies.

There seems to be a certain subset of the HN population that thinks they can get away with attributing an indefensible statement to others who didn't make it, and try to challenge them on it, but those folks shouldn't be treated seriously, just like Don Quixote shouldn't be treated seriously in his fight against windmills.

China doesn’t bomb foreign countries if they don’t agree to everything.

China just takes over areas they claim as their own.

They also don't let anyone disagree with them unpunished. That's not at all what the US does, you're talking about 20 years ago by now.

China has much more sensitive toes and issues coming up are every year.

Yeah, they just systematically genocide their citizens having the wrong heritage (Uyghurs), blackout entire cities that might dissent from their proposed governing systems (Hong Kong) and deny the right of sovereignty to established countries (Tibet, Taiwan) that "don't agree to everything". Not even the tip of the iceberg.

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