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Exactly, you don't want your children to need surveillance. And in the grand scheme of things even if they misbehave when unsurveilled, who gives a damn? The collective damage of them not learning to say "no" to immoral behaviour because they want to is way bigger than anything the surveillance ever could prevent.

If the US is really about "freedom" why do you try to educate your kids to be on the receiving end of an authoritarian dictatorship?

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If the kids had more money, they’d be more free.

That’s the American way.

Can you expound upon this?

What's the alternative way, and why are kids free-er in it?

How do kids vary in wealth and how does this affect their freedom? (For current kids? For American kids at different times?)

Obviously they exchange labour for capital and are rewarded commensurately by the free market.

Thinking about the freedoms of the chimney sweeping children in the free markets of historical England almost brought a tear to my eyes, thank you.

They were perfectly free to go work in a textile mill or coal mine if they didn't like being a chimney sweep!

wild leap from one large, difficult subject to a second one, with no provided evidence, real link or even train of thought.. just "mind salad".. counterproductive to the flow of the reason here

Not the person who posted this, but there is a very, very clear line that can be drawn between school and industrialization, both essentially came into live during the same time. Sometimes the same people who owned the factories where the parents worked advocated for schools to which their kids could go (totally out of the kindness of their hearts ofc). The way school has been structured historically was (and in many parts of the world: is) still stemming from that time.

And this was a society that didn't need free thinkers, but people who did as they were told.

This is entirely true; rich people generally send their children to schools where they're treated with more dignity.

The American way is to save the elderly at the expense of the kids while also saddling them with debt.

We're a democracy based on hope and love (freedom is bad, acktchually), and our cameras keep us safe. Also, parents wanted education to align better with The Real World, so we added constant surveillance and armed police to the classrooms and replaced a trip to the principal's office with a hearing at the local magistrate.

Only a radical, alt-right, white supremacist-fascist would consider our lawful, peace-keeping panopticon to be "authoritarian" - won't you please think of The Children?

What are you so afraid of? What are you hiding?

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

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