The left does talk about it. Ridiculous article from jacobin.
Maybe don't stick your head in the sand the moment someone says "toxic masculinity". It means something which hurts men, too. Every economic conversation and conversation on gender roles touches on this specific kind of despair and anxiety in the universe. If you look hard enough, even consumerist vanilla and milk-toast pieces like the Barbie movie take on talking about the expectations placed on men by themselves and what it feels like to wake up to a society where nobody meets those anymore.
For Jacobin to write this is absolutely bizarre. It's almost as if it's aimed more towards people on the right than on the left, except it vindicates the idea that the left never touches the concept of men, as if women were the only thing that existed on the left, which just isn't true. It's always been an everyone club, it's always been a club for those who work for their money and for those sympathetic to them. And it's a place where those people talk about those problems which hurt them. That includes and has always included men.
The left however tends to shun the fact that a lot of the toxic masculinity comes from women and their expectations on men and boys. There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it, and the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating toxic masculinity, at least I've never seen them talk about it as a problem that needs fixing.
For example women and queer in armed forces are routinely mocked by the right as feminization and weakening of the military
Of course the gate is rising
I'm not sure what you're trying to prove though. It seems like whataboutism
This just isn't true. The fact that men AND women are taught this "manly man" crap by both their mothers and fathers is commonly discussed. It's often reported that women don't self reflect but follow any prominent feminist and you'll hear them talking about this often.
> There isn't anything men can do to stop toxic masculinity until women stops propagating it
This is both false and a poor human excuse for bad behavior. You can have better conversations. You can model better behavior. You can call out misogyny. It's fun or comfortable or do but it's with your control. Don't push all the hard work to others. Do it yourself. (I do. It's not fun but it's important.)
> the left sees no problem with women and teachers propagating toxic masculinity, at least I've never seen them talk about it as a problem that needs fixing.
Be honest with yourself. Where are you looking? Articles like this that make it seem like we should over index on self inflicted wounds or aces where women talk about the difficulties they face because of heavily patriarchal society?
> You have an infrastructure bill that will create jobs largely for men. Two-thirds of the jobs in the infrastructure bill will go to men: black men as much as white men, and Hispanic men a little bit more, because they’re so represented in the construction industry. Don’t hide from that fact, as the administration does when they’re challenged on it.
And then also things that are cut and dry worse for men (i.e. suicide rate) you don't see a gender breakdown showing that [1]. And even when the press material has a gender breakdown its part of the "Age" section even though being male is a 3x affect while the age is ~0.25x [2].
Jacobin's point is about messaging and not that "The Left" doesn't do anything.
[1]: https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/index.html
[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/suicide/facts/disparities-in-suicide.htm...
Not trying to dilute your point, because if you look at the "Data and Statistics" tab of the page you linked the disparity between male/female is clearly obvious. So I agree that the fact that is not talked about in the disparities is crazy. But, one thing I remember hearing when I was in high school was that suicide attempts were higher amongst women, but the suicide rate was higher amongst men. There is a mention of this in the article for youth, so maybe it was specifically mentioned because of that age group because I can't seem to see if that applies across age groups.
"In 2021, 9% of high school students reported attempting suicide during the previous 12 months. Suicide attempts were reported most frequently among girls compared to boys (12.4% vs. 5.3%)"
> Two-thirds of the jobs in the infrastructure bill will go to men: black men as much as white men, and Hispanic men a little bit more, because they’re so represented in the construction industry.
If I perceived the government as only capable of offering jobs and no other support I would also be pissed and feel alienated. I don't see much evidence that this is how people view the world outside of the Brookings institute.
Here's an example from earlier this year.
The primary difference from the most common ways I hear about it from the right is the lack of a "one simple trick to fix it" prescription. It is more limited to a survey of some of the proposed causes and actions.
That being said, the first thing I noticed with that link was the title. Why is it implying it's Men's fault?
> What's the matter with Men?
Imagine if on a similarly gendered topic, say abortion, someone published an article with the title "What's wrong with Women." Everyone would be up in arms over it.
Similarly, if you saw Johnny or Suzy crying on the playground, you might ask, “what’s the matter?” That’s not implying they did something bad, it’s asking what hurt them or upset them, in a slightly colloquial way.
I think jumping straight to “why are they implying this is men’s fault” is, ultimately, the perspective you’re already bringing to a very benign article title, and the fact you reacted immediately that way instead of assuming good intentions and reading a bit of the content is a reflection on how some folks have decided that “toxic masculinity”, for instance, is a vile attack on men instead of a descriptor for vile things perpetuated on men.
Here is one: https://youtu.be/dxdlR_ESJFA?si=tGaUPLTzoh5oNQCh
When Obama tried creating "My Brothers Keeper" program to help struggling AA boys, who got it shut down? Certainly wasn't the right wing.
He didn’t try, he succeeded in 2014, and it remained in place as long as he was President, then it stopped being an Administration priority under Donald Trump and went away in 2017 (though the Obama Foundation then launched a similarly named grant program with similar purpose in 2018 which is still active.)
> Certainly wasn’t the right wing.
Except it absolutely was.
My recollection is that the program was initiated in 2014, with substantial contributions from private organizations. It was further funded in 2015 with more private sector contributions.
I believe it was shut down when Trump was inaugurated.
We can always make the claim that why artificially limit it to just that subgroup or why can't these specific group of men find help in the all inclusive programs we have already, but then we get back to where we started, that is "see we are talking to men".
This is also an allagory at every other attempt of the left wing lens trying to help men. Society is very quick to shove in my face "black patient with black doctors and female patient with female doctors have better outcomes" but for some reason an issue faced by men needs to be watered down or not addressed completely.
This is absolutely absurd nonsense. Good god.
Check the production values of most socialist-inclined (not liberal, big difference) content on youtube/podcasts vs those coming from the right.
I mean, look at those Lex Fridman videos. Like, sure, dude is probably going to support the cause for a new All-American Übermensch or something like that - But he looks coool while doing it, can't deny that.
More than 70 years ago Pasolini explicitly said "The right is back again because they scream louder than us" and we're yet far from fully internalizing this concept.