Is any of this based on anything? I'm sure I've met lots of guys that think they don't need therapy but really should be in therapy.
What metric are you using to measure need of therapy?
What metric are you using to measure need of therapy?
When I say based in something, I mean something tangible. Not the podcast of a reality TV show contestant.
HN is ridiculous. It's absurd how putting a microphone in front of somebody makes everything they say true
That's putting aside any marketing reasons this person has to appear on a podcast and have "the answer" to male loneliness.
for me that connects to believing that the purpose of humanity as a whole is to contribute to an ever advancing civilization. that means even if one particular purpose that kept me going disappears, i can find others because there is plenty of help the world needs, and finding a new purpose is much easier if the overall purpose is: do something useful for the world and not: you are supposed to provide for your family. if you can't do that, you are useless.
If only there were some sort of substance that allowed men to access their feelings and made them talkative.
and if you are sarcastically referring to alcohol, then no, please not. while alcohol may make you more talkative, it also robs you from the clarity of mind that you need to actually solve the problems that you are talking about.
Let's say talk therapy is only 20% effective for this other class of people. Given y hours of talk therapy, they recieve only .2 * y benefit.
For this group, they need 5 times as much talk therapy to gain the same benefit. 5 is more than 1. The end goal is the same though; healthy well-adjusted people that don't shoot up schools, don't go online and DM random women with mysogynistic screeds, aren't sad sacks of a human being, and live fulfilling lives. Of course that's up to each individual to decide for themselves as the system is architected, but I think that whole "not shooting up schools thing" bears consideration by society as a goal that's worth pursuing on a wider level.
As for alcohol, you don't even believe in therapy, who are you to tell others how they can make it more effective for them? Obviously black out wasted does no good, but a beer to take the edge off does wonders. A prescribed anoxalytic would do better, but those are far less available.
this is where i disagree. a friend of mine is a therapist, and she won't take people for more than half a year. if in that time she can not help them, then this most likely means that these people are simply not receptive to the therapy that she was able to provide. so more therapy won't help them.
my reading of therapy being 20% effective means that it is 100% effective, 20% of the time, and completely fails 80% of the time. (well, i suppose there are also cases where therapy is partly effective, but i do not believe the relationship is linear, and that a partly effective therapy can be turned into a fully effective one by simply adding more time)
(and i am aware that 20% is a made up number, we can fill in what actual statistics provide if there are any)
so basically i believe any specific form therapy is effective with some people and fails with other people. that doesn't mean that there is no working therapy for those people, just that they haven't found it yet, or haven't found the right therapist yet. (sometimes the success of therapy depends on the personality of the therapist and the patient)
i agree with the end goals, but the examples you list are the extreme cases, that i hope are actually easier to address because i think they are caused by some very painful experience that a therapist should at least be able to detect. (i don't really know, but i hope anyways)
the cases of concern in this thread are the more subtle ones that prevent people from sharing their feelings, and the cause for that i believe is much harder to detect and address.