Makes me wonder how much manufacturing knowledge has been lost in the west, and how long it might take to rediscover it all.
Does anyone know of any good sources on this?
Does anyone know of any good sources on this?
Like most trade workers, the worker owns the tools that they use on the job. When they sell their tools, they leave the trade.
I don't think there have been any good studies or histories written about the decline in tradeskilled labor.
There's still large machine tools being refurbished in Rockford, Illinois, Haas is building a large new facility in Nevada (delayed; thanks covid) for making CNC machine tools, medical and aerospace parts are still earning machinists a crapton of money, and people are still hobbing enormous gears that are very, very expensive.
It's pretty clear that American machining has lost its production bandwidth due to offshoring, but it's not accurate to say that the field is dead.
"Big Oil’s Talent Crisis: High Salaries Are No Longer Enough
Energy companies scramble to attract engineers as young workers fret over climate and job security
Good news from the oil patch: Jobs are plentiful and salaries are soaring.
The bad news is that young people still aren’t interested.
Even as oil-and-gas companies post record profits, the industry is facing a worsening talent drought.
At U.S. colleges, the pool of new entrants for petroleum-engineering programs has shrunk to its smallest size since before the fracking boom began more than a decade ago. European universities, which have historically provided many of the engineers for companies with operations across the Middle East and Asia, are seeing similar trends.
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And maybe that is also good news, because the youth realizes what we won't and what is at stake? Wouldn't have thought that not everything can be bought.. a little hope for them's still there, as we will ignore it til our deaths ;)
Thus, you cannot just repeat "bad news" unfair :( Bring a new perspective please.
(And feel free to downvote, yeees I know we need some oil industry.. but no, if we'd do it right still not as much as >95% of it is right now for.. no way around it).
Skills will come and go as needed, the drama is overrated and sensationalism imo (just to ensure more downvotes ;))
It reeks of disrespect for the commitment it takes to nurture an industry, and is why in the west prodictoce 8ndustries are ocershadowed by asset bubles and speculation
The two biggest wind turbine manufacturers in the world, Vestas Wind Systems and Siemens Gamesa, are located here in Denmark. It is definitely possible to do manufacturing in high income developed countries.
Dated article, says USA doesn't make these anymore -
Baseball Babyfood Etch a Sketch Converse Shoes Stainless Steel Rebar Dress Shirt Mattel Toys Minivan Vending Machine Levi Jeans Red Wagon TV Cellphone Railroad Turnouts Sardines Dell Computer Cutlery Bulb
https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls-market-withdrawals-safety...
The knowledge is all there, the problem is lack of experience/training.
Come on, you’ve got to at least offer them something other than what they’ve already been doing for years.
These things don't get built on a whim - there's risks, regulations, documentation, procedures, experts, etc. At the end of the day you have people doing the work for decades, with an intuition about how things work.
Given infinite time you can recreate anything - but by the time you're done putting the puzzle together you're out of business.
That's exactly my point. This intuition is undocumented however it becomes superseded by new tech. Nobody can (successfully) run a plastics plant with decades of old hardware knowledge and expect to be in business another 20 years.
"In 1991, Aldo retired and Ed took over day-to-day management of the company. First Plastics began the initiative to replace and update its molding equipment with new large capacity presses in 1995. This initiative has placed First Plastics as one of the most technologically advanced injection molders in the Northeast. Today it continues to add the latest technology while increasing its manufacturing capacity."
You would be surprised - I've seen production lines 30+ years old running profitably.
Note this was not plastics moulding - this was producing raw plastics/petrochemical facility.
Gordon Ramsey can't document how to cook a steak and how to tell thats its done. 3 different cooks will read his instructions and will end up with 3 different steaks.
The idea that a lifetime of steelworking experience can be foind in books, especially by people who aren't known for love of books, is pure folly.
Skills are living. They live in flesh and bone.
> 3 different cooks will read his instructions and will end up with 3 different steaks
Either his instructions are shit, or the cooks are donkeys.
Sear steak at high heat, 1 minute, rotate steak 45 degrees, flip steak to sear back side for 1 minute, rotate steak 45 degrees. Move steak to indirect heat until internal temp probed at center of steak reaches 145F, remove steak and plate steak after resting for 4 minutes.
There. If you follow those instructions you can get a perfectly done steak every. single. time.
Shit is only subjective if you don’t have a repeatable way of measuring things.
You absolutely can learn steel working and foundry type of stuff from books, but you have to find ways of measuring what you are doing. E.G. heat to this temp, control cooling process by means of $X, $Y, $Z. Inspect crystal structure of coupon, X-ray for porosity.
It isn’t easy, but it can be done.
Can be? perhaps. Is documented? definitely not.
90% of code is not documented, whether it is a trojan or firmware for a soda dispenser. If I find you a random piece of code that was not maintained for the last 5 years, in a random language, what is the chance that you can get it to work? 30%?
> It isn’t easy, but it can be done
So most of the time it isn't done.
Its software engineer's job to document code, it is not the job of a machinist to document minitua of his job. In fact some proffeshions made historically a point of keeping their craft secret and passing knowledge on to an apprentice.
> Code and any process can be documented just fine.
You know, back when they had neither the plans nor people that had built such large engines before?
It's probably a myth anyway, Rocketdyne's expertise continues with the RS-68 and there are probably still employees that worked on the RS-56 that was derived from the H-1, which was essentially a smaller F-1
edit: Apparently, an upgraded F-1B is part of the SLS Block 2 spec anyway, so yes, they can still make them.