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1) there is no value in putting energy into that which you have no control, and MOST things you can read about on the Internet fall into this category
2) almost all good or beautiful things are either personal and happen either in their natural course (relationship, family, the sunset) or they require a lifetime of distillation or creation of that _something_ that is missing from the world.
For me personally I've chosen to focus on my family and job, and spend the rest of my time in pursuit of a large life-long goal (civboot.org). It's gone quite well so far, but I'm only 3 years in
I’ve come to think of it more like I’m on this boat with everyone else - I can’t do anything on my own, but taking my turn at the oars contributes to the journey. You can’t do everything, so at least be a net positive - be the kind of person where if everyone acted like you, it’d make the world you want to live in.
Could one person maybe catalyze the solving of climate change though?
1. Lots of issues within local government related to transportation, buildings, energy (these issues intersect closely with climate change) come up without members from the public saying anything. Having one voice from a normal member of the public (not a lobbyist, not an activist, not a government staff person, not a journalist, not someone paid to be there) gets attention from policy makers, it says people really care and elected officials should act accordingly.
2. There are a lot of groups out there doing work and pushing for policy changes with varying levels of “spice” (spice being how much they try to influence elections and get public attention) these are groups like rotary clubs, environmental voter project, citizens climate lobby, 350.org, Sierra club, sunrise, third act, extinction rebellion, and many more. Some are active in your community. The work of connecting between them and other parts of the community is crucial because coalitions need to be made and that is hard work. If you are involved in a group (company, neighborhood association, hoa, club, trade group, professional organization, any kind of group) that is interested in doing anything on climate, you could be a connector between them and a policy advocacy group. Find ways to work together towards a set of common goals. That’s when outcomes really start to proliferate.
My wife and I think exactly this way and we did just that: precisely for that very reason, we decided to have one kid. Not three. Not two (could have happened with twins but that's uncommon).
And if everybody were to do like us for a few generations, most of our problems would be solved in a few generations (and couple could start having two kids on average again).
And I do not care about the broken promises of failing states who need ever more young people to pay for the impossible-to-sustain pension schemes.
I think your reasoning only works as a concept in your head. As a short-lived dream were you can enjoy an image of the world in a future state.
Being a hero is far more exciting and feels more "action-oriented" than the actual solution to most problems: consistent concerted effort over a long period of time. But it's the latter that actually works, whether in something as personal as healthy living or something as broad as national policy.
We're past hero culture as far as I can tell. We're firmly in superhero culture aka entertainment divorced from reality.
Also, I don't think there exists a coherent culture anymore. 'Anyone can do whatever they want as long as I get mine' is not a culture - it's a canary in the coalmine and the canary is dead.
"Because the real world has never been saved by a few superheroes. It has always saved itself on its own, each person doing their own little bit. In the real world, although many people feel—and sometimes are—helpless because they’re not the “right” gender or race or caste or class, there are many, many more people who have made their own little impacts on the lives of others, be it buying groceries for elderly neighbors during the lockdown, running a lemonade stand to raise funds for cancer treatment, offering free therapy, teaching kids in slums, or distributing food to protesters. Our world is humanity’s collective effort, one big project that we always keep working on.
The problems all of us are fighting are too big to change individually—they are too massive in scope, with too many variables. But collectively we have changed some things for the better, and we’ve done it by being whoever we are and doing what we can, while also learning and taking tiny steps forward..."
By letting go we can achieve the greatest well-being for ourselves and others. We can perform our work and step back, letting things be as they are. The only way they can ever be.
My biggest example of this is cutting out reading the news. It's been great - all the news brought me was constant negativity about things out of my control
- Thomas Jefferson
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/3237870-the-man-who-never-l...
The point of news is social change or social control (depending on who owns it), and the kind of news you lament being gone was never actually neutral. It also was in no way how news started.
You want your power company to not dump coal waste in rivers? Get some press.
You want buildings to be retired to be accessible because you are a wheelchair user? Get the press to care about it.
If you are a service member or a NYC firefighter who wants the government to be accountable for giving you cancer because of burn pits or 9/11 toxic waste? Hammer the gov in the press
You want to stop the NSA from spying on Americans? Leak insider docs to the press.
You want better media? Subscribe and pay for it.
But helping others is not optional. Not for a moral person anyway. Apparently no one nowadays is.
The last decade, it was the alt-right folks who managed to transform the society up to a point where governments and lives of those targeted by the alt-right have changed significantly.
Voting, policy on civil or environmental matters, rights etc. all seem like nothing ever changes by activism and yet they changed quite significantly over time.
It's relevant because good sex probably has a diminishing effect on polarization between the participants.
Or in some encounters, among the participants. :)
I offer into evidence the social behavior of bonobos when they get stressed.
I'm guessing you are already familiar with the Long Now Foundation? Visiting their social hub (it's a bar with weekly talks) in SF, called The Interval, is lovely for many reasons, one of them being their Manual of Civilization[1], a curated library of books whose aim is to collate all the information necessary to build civilization back to where it is now in the event of some catastrophic disruption.
[1] https://medium.com/the-long-now-foundation/manual-for-civili...
Think about death and it's inevitability. Since it is inevitable there is little value in fearing it.
Or think about trying to change other people's minds. You have little/no control of their thinking. As long as you are enjoying the process of discussion then great, discuss for its own sake. But being stressed about it makes no sense.
You have quite a lot of control of your own habits, circumstances and growth -- and by focusing on them the world will be a better place than if you focused on things you had no control over. There will always be pain and evil as long as there is joy and life, so don't worry too much about fixing that.
Then there are the men who build and maintain the world the housewife and the kids live in.
Unless we're cool with the modern way of life collapsing and us going back to 'the good old days' - men need to care deeply about the modern way of life and understand what makes it tick.
Not every man of course but the overall direction of men adopting the values of housewives and thinking modern society is just this given, that it'll just continue chugging along and I can only care about myself (and my family) - that's a very dangerous fantasy.
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All things have their backs to the female
and stand facing the male.
when male and female combine,
all things achieve harmony.
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Ordinary men hate solitude,
But the Master makes use of it,
embracing his aloneness, realizing
he is one with the whole universe.
> MOST things you can read about on the Internet fall into this category
This is why I deleted almost every social media and am very selective about the content I consume, so the stuff that does land in my inbox is stuff that has scope for taking action--I unsubscribed from everything that talked about things I couldn't do anything about personally.
And then, I started viewing my need to learn random stuff as . . . A way to distract myself.
Now when I feel the tug to set a learning goal, I step back and feel what’s behind it.
Is this goal really the best use of my time? Or is there a big fear I’m avoiding or pull toward validation that I’m seeking in this moment?
I’ve learned so much from not reading :)
I am now in a phase where I am letting things take whatever course they have to. No longer am I trying to achieve an objective of getting “better” and being ok with knowing that if I don’t feel like it, I needn’t pressure myself to pursue it.
I realised that I was trying to prove myself to other people. That if I get better at the instrument, people will be wowed and will like me more and that will give me validation. So I realised that at least a part of the motivation was public approval. Meditation and therapy have helped me realise that my craving for validation cannot be fixed by more validation. And this has made it easy for me to let go.
Who knows what comes next? I can only accept myself and go with the flow :)
But then, the hard part, the part requiring discipline comes in. In the example of learning an instrument, maybe you learn your first pentatonic box on the guitar, and you get a quick hit of satisfaction when you can improvise something pleasant. But then you start to realize, as you learn more, that there's a huge amount of practice required to take you to the point where you can shred a solo.
This is where I often lose interest in some new hobby, personally. And the truth is, there's just not enough time in a life to truly master that many different things.
With that said, though, I think there can still be value in learning the basics of something new. It can tell your whether you enjoy that thing enough to keep investing in it, and you can often go quite far with basic skills. I'll never be a master woodworker, but I'm happy that I learned the first 50%, because that's enough to do some basic house repairs or build a shelf. I'll never be a great piano player, but I learned enough to be able to lay down some chords when I'm working on some music. I'm not going to be a full time drummer, but I can do a basic 4/4 beat when we're all drunk at the end of a jam session and switch instruments for shits and giggles.
I think it's just important to be realistic about how far basics take you and whether you're really going to invest the time it takes to make learning things worthwhile - or if, like you describe, that effort is feeding some other impulse that's not worth your time.
But it is ok to learn new things just because it's fun, and there's a lot of fun to be had being a generalist. So it's really (just like all things in life) just a balance that you need to figure out how you want to strike.
If it energises you/brings you joy, then why question it?
> Simply having awareness can be beneficial on some level.
It is, but what I realised at one point that there are just too many things to fix and you can spend your entire life becoming aware about them. I think it's better to choose a few or even one problem and go deep or actually do something. But, as I wrote in the post, that's something that works well for me. YMVV.
Edit: John Green explains this well in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bew3EMicf8g
Same here! Since realising that, I've not been so worried about reading everything I've saved, or even thinking that I have to read everything I come across just because "you learn something new every day." I graduated a year ago and have done lots of work and reading since. How different would my life have been if I'd applied even 10% of what I learn?
I still love learning stuff, but now--unless it's required for work--don't go looking for things to learn. I am doing much more as a result and I'm happier than I was when I simply spent my days learning.
By the way, is spawning new tabs while waiting for a website to load in order to keep oneself occupied really a thing?
Agree. And also I think the same about the working hours that companies makes us to commit.
That seems overly simple, I don't think it is a solution per se. I can think of a million real world things, where taking action is not the default.
> By the way, is spawning new tabs while waiting for a website to load in order to keep oneself occupied really a thing?
Yes, sometimes. Particularly HN is a good intermediate, because it loads so fast.
You have no idea. Absolutely no idea. I'll usually open 3 or 4 tabs before a single one finishes loading. You, have, no, idea. ADHD is insane.
It's because I close old tabs all the time, but I constantly need to open more because otherwise I get extremely extremely bored.
Definitely. I open up 8-20 tabs at once and go to the one that finishes loading first
That is the goal. Consuming stuff on the internet is just one of the things I do throughout the day and even there I've minimised it as much as possible: I've deleted almost every social media, I use LinkedIn with a timer (browser blocks in automatically). I'm subscribed to a limited number of newsletters and even then I don't immediately read them--hence all the bookmarks.
> Take it from somebody very recently recovered from the digital loop: I have lost tons of time ruminating while life flowed out the window, screen, etc.
This is why I recently started using my laptop and phone with a timer: I give myself a total of 4 hours to use both screens (although I don't count listening to music while doing chores as screentime--we're all big music lovers in our family). Of course, I can do this because I'm a freelancer and not the breadwinner of the house. All people I respect have told me that when I have this advantage, I should use it.
Funnily, having a timer has helped me get more work done than I did when I took laptop use for granted: I'm almost done with the second issue of my magazine in less than 4 days when the first one took 2 whole weeks.
> By the way, is spawning new tabs while waiting for a website to load in order to keep oneself occupied really a thing?
I used to do this a lot until I recently started applying the principles of slow living and doing one thing at a time.
I propose a different club rule: You can write/post/meet up/etc but for every one thing you do talking/thinking, you have to have already taken that action in real life! IE read a book about going to the gym? Don’t meet to talk about it, but go to the gym and talk about it after!
Book clubs tend to be organized around sharing thoughts about the books the participants have read, and I never heard of those being referred to as bragging hotspots.
Your broad-stroke condescending attitude towards others make you sound like you wear a fedora. If you have insecurities to deal with, don't deal with them by trying to drag others into your personal issues.
I'm here to counteract the rampant muddled thinking that goes on here. Nobody else is willing to point out obviously flawed arguments, so consider it a service. (Hell, in the other thread, people think that grocery stores are pulling in 43 percent gross margins. Apple, Inc. would be jealous!)
Yes, and I did. Read the message. It's clear and straight to the point.
Hi, author here. I'm glad you liked it--I don't get to hear this often. :)
> I had a bit of a laugh when the author described how they read and think too much and wanted to take action - then the solution is a club who who .. meet to talk about taking action :)
I wrote this post in a hurry because I'd have broken my streak otherwise and so didn't really spend much time on it. I just made a quick note and posted it online because I've recently started treating the blog like an open notebook rather than thinking that everything that goes on it has to be something I've thought about for ages and then executed perfectly; that helps with ignoring my perfectionism. I didn't think it would make it to HN. (I was hoping that would happen to a different post.)
All of this to say that: when I had the idea, I imagined us doing things and reporting on them, but I forgot to mention it in the post. I've added the update after seeing your comment, so thanks for pointing it out!
Touché.
On the other hand this is one of the reasons why it's hard not to love the rest of humanity. The results are sometimes comical, but we're all trying.
They might appreciate their efforts more if they instead decided to take action on a thing, and then found material to learn that can help them take that course of action.
Or you can do something, find out it's not working, then learn more about it to fill the holes in your knowledge.
> They might appreciate their efforts more if they instead decided to take action on a thing
We also need to know that there's a problem before we can do something about it. You can't fix a problem you don't know exists.
(Digression) “One of the realizations has been that I read too much, take too many notes, yet don’t really do anything with this new information.“ I feel the underlying reason for this is due to years of the education system drilling into our heads the value of notes and memorisations for the purpose of exam taking. But once you are out of the system, this technique becomes useless as it excels at one type of thing. However, it’s also ironically the technique that brings success as cause you did well in your exams / interviews, you can do the job . I think once you “do things” though it’s a whole different ball game.
I'm not sure you read the whole article, but the author pointed out that the goal of the group would be to serve as a kind of requirements-gathering stage for doing something. The group would meet when a problem was identified, and the meeting agenda would be to iterate over the problem domain and brainstorm solutions.
Does it make sense to jump to the solution space when you barely have an idea of what the problem is?
> Does it make sense to jump to the solution space when you barely have an idea of what the problem is?
Yes! Well actually, it depends - but if you see that your answer is "no" too often (as apparently OP does), then change the default answer to "yes". You will be surprised at what can be achieved. Do try to survive though. :)
I'm not sure you understand the issue or thought through the problem. Acting without direction or a plan or even a goal is as much of a waste of time as not doing anything.
Is your goal just to pay lip service to a "technically doing something" goal, or actually do something about a problem? Because if your goal is to actually do something about a problem, the very least you need to have in place is a plan.
> Yes! Well actually, it depends (...)
It really does not depend at all. To have a goals the very least you need to have is a basic understanding of the problem you want to tackle. This is not up for discussion.
If you have no idea what the problem actually is, you simply cannot do anything about it.
Unless your goal is to post vacuous content to social media claiming you do stuff in spite of not doing anything or achieving nothing, you need to know what you're doing. It boggles the mind how anyone can even try to argue about the need to know what you're doing.
Hi, as I wrote in the comment above: I was in a hurry when I posted this so didn't notice that the obvious point was missing--that we meet to find solutions and implement them. I've added the edit.
And, yes, the solution is to actually do it--which I realised only because I had an idea for launching a magazine and then actually did it in less than a month. It was the first time I'd ended up acting on an idea so soon after having it, which is what inspired the line of thinking that ultimately led to the idea of the club.
> I feel the underlying reason for this is due to years of the education system drilling into our heads the value of notes and memorisations for the purpose of exam taking.
I was educated in India, so I don't blame the education system (for this particular habit). I'd been the topper in school and was fond of note-taking. I still keep a commonplace book because it's my primary hobby. I love collecting beautiful passages from books and the internet and notes help me simplify concepts for others--I've been tutoring kids for years and I like being able to take information and simplify it for others.
But the habit has gone out of hand when it comes to online note-taking, as I discussed in a different post: it's very-easy to copy-paste stuff, add a million tags, and feel good about it. I've since switched to taking notes by hand ONLY--and because that takes effort, I only take notes on the things I really want to remember. And they're succinct because then I copy just the gist, which is what's truly needed 90% of the time.
> I think once you “do things” though it’s a whole different ball game.
I started doing this sometime near the end of August and I couldn't agree more--a lot of good things have happened since. Oliver Burkeman's writing helped me get there: https://www.oliverburkeman.com/justdo
I journal every day and I try build experimental software projects what I think is valuable or interesting. Person's idea of what is valuable or interesting or observations or conclusions is different.
I recognise that it takes a lot of work to create something. You can't just know 1 thing or be good at 10 tasks to produce something to high quality, you have to do 1000 tasks you've never done before.
For example, I love goodness, positivity, light and think on these things and reject what is not these things.
So I try do things that are valuable to me and share them with others.
Note: I want a zero effort platform similar to Repl.it that lets me be webscale with minimal devops. I am interested in ScrapScript and Val Town.
I have 4 or so abandoned habit-tracker projects, and 7 "follow book" (essentially "following" a book series or author for release announcements/notifications) projects, all in different early states before I lost interest. I wish I could follow through with projects I’m not getting paid for ;)
Also had multiple failed journaling, reading, meditation, flossing, and exercising attempts, all of which have been fluctuating within acceptable bounds (e.g. some days I can only meditate 3 deep breaths) for the last 4 years or so.
This was a problem for me as well, but this post by Oliver Burkeman helped me take action and launch The Metronome : https://www.oliverburkeman.com/justdo
We can't act on every single idea we have, but it's better to bring at least one into the world than have several world-changing ones gather dust in a notebook.
Still in development, but feel free to try it out: https://Gridwhale.com
> For example, I love goodness, positivity, light and think on these things and reject what is not these things.
> So I try do things that are valuable to me and share them with others.
I really like your perspective! We're very similar in that regard.
> I recognise that it takes a lot of work to create something. You can't just know 1 thing or be good at 10 tasks to produce something to high quality, you have to do 1000 tasks you've never done before.
I recently discovered the idea of a minimum viable product and the whole "fail fast, fail better concept." It was a comment on HN that gave me the idea for The Metronome and I ended up launching the magazine in less than a month. I've never done something like it, but I wanted this thing to really exist, so I did what I new and put it out--and the response to it has been overwhelmingly positive. The second issue will go out tomorrow; I learned from my difficulties while making the first one and ended up needing less time to create the second one.
Perfectionism is a terrible problem, so doing things and getting better as you go is better than trying to be better before you actually do the thing, I believe.
You notice you lack information while building? Go read it.
Not the other way around.
Unless you want to read for the sake of reading/learning, which is also fine. It improves your general knowledge. But if you want to get something done, then of course, there is no other way except doing it.
But of course, if it is something bigger, than thinking before doing it make sense. Take a pen and paper and make sketches and todo lists - and then implement them.
>You notice you lack information while building? Go read it.
>Not the other way around.
>Unless you want to read for the sake of reading/learning, which is also fine. It improves your general knowledge. But if you want to get something done, then of course, there is no other way except doing it.
I have nothing to add except that this is a beautiful comment that sums up my post way better than I could have myself. :)
You'll like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIDAWrUyjM4
> Lately, though, simply reading or thinking about ideas feels inadequate, even a waste of time. It feels wrong to me, because it goes against some of the things I value deep down–things which don’t have a specific word for them (that I’m aware of, with my non-native knowledge of English).
> It’s the value that seeks to do things, see the results of doing those things. Ideas made tangible.
This resonated with me a lot.
I've written before about how I ditched over-the-top all-in-one bookmarking, highlighting, annotating and read-it-later platforms for a single fuzzily-searchable database of highlights I take from anywhere (comments, articles, books, blogs etc.) and how much this has improved my life flow in general.
I don't think it's a coincidence that since that mindset shift, I've gone on to create a modest-but-profitable SaaS, a category-defining piece of open source software with a vibrant and active community, and that after a lifetime of watching from the sidelines, I have finally learned to dance to the level that I'm regularly referred to as a "good dancer" (still working on being able to accept this compliment, though)
Got a link for that? I'm trying to do something similar and I'm still doing far too much "bookmarking, highlighting, annotating and read-it-later"-ing
I generally encourage people to write software that is tailored to their own needs in this area rather than trying to contort themselves to fit into the bookmarking model, which I personally consider to be broken for highlights (I've shared a blog on this topic on HN too).
If anyone were to ask me for advice after describing the sort of fatigue that you have described with the popular systems and services in this product area, I'd encourage them to ditch the "read it later" mentality and try adopting a "read it now or read it never" (RINORIN) approach, and to stop annotating their highlights (because these fall out of sync with our thinking incredibly quickly).
Connecting meticulous organisation and having a "second brain" to productivity, I realised not long ago, has made us all focus on the wrong things. I understand that for some people, having things organized actually helps them function better but I wasn't one of them. I only thought I needed to be super-organized but I'm a perfectionist--what I needed was to just do things.
You have to be deliberate. If you think something is worth exploring and applying, put it in you calendar or todo list to dive deeper into it in day you have time.
Only write notes for things that a nice to have, for the crucial ones take action and write about your experience with it.
Here is how I go about it: I have a file named on-my-mind.md where I write a short sentence over something I was thinking or thought was interesting. I keep it short. I also have a current.md with something I'm focusing on now — I it read everyday.
If I'm reading a book, I make sure to do the exercises before marking as complete and re-read each chapter after before going to the next. If what I'm learning can improve my work or life, I put it on-my-mind.md.
I consult on-my-mind.md a lot during the day, it's like a state machine for me.
If I thought something was interesting, but don't have the time budget to commit, I will put it on calendar for some day in the future so I can dive deep then. I basically send letters to my future self, and I have this contract of always acting on what I put on the calendar and/or todo list, so it has to be important before it goes there.
I'm using the rule of "do it now or delete it." It's quite a harsh rule, but life is short and I can't do everything, so I'm focusing on the things that will bring me the most joy and satisfaction of having done something good for others.
Six months later, there was a gate there. I only had to dismantle it maybe four or five times.
Direct action works.
I also like to always be working on stuff that ships.
That said, my expertise misses some of the stuff that can only be discovered in a purely academic workflow, and not all “do somethings” are good[0].
[0] https://littlegreenviper.com/miscellany/problems-and-solutio...
I'm struggling to find a reference, but I very much subscribe to the concept I read somewhere that discussing an idea releases a similar dopamine hit to actual execution.
There's room for validation of an idea etc., but (over)imagining what completion looks / feels like prior to execution can rob that drive to execute.
I think pairing sharing an idea with an action can help because you've already gotten the ball rolling. It's what I did with my magazine: wrote on my blog and also sent emails to the experts I wanted to interview.
The issue to solve is to know when not to read everything for entertainment, which your brain can consider it “useful”.
This is what I do. I've been curating my internet diet a lot over the last four years or so. I guess it's a downside of the curation that what does land in my inbox is stuff that I can do something about.
It probably also varies on what information individuals are able to (and want to) take action.
I feel like some social media thing should probably already exist, where people find each other to take action together.
Anyone knows of such a forum, group, subreddit, channel, mastodon instance, or whatever?
I think it depends on our individual information diets. I've gradually curated my internet diet to avoid receiving and reading stuff I can't do anything about, so the stuff that does land in my inbox is often actionable. Might not be true for everyone.
> feel like some social media thing should probably already exist, where people find each other to take action together.
What I'm noticing is that the people who do take action are all connected locally and/or offline so I'm trying to focus my energy there. Meet people, take action outside the screen, offline.
The thing is, I'm already doing things whenever possible as an individual, but I've spent so long alone that I'm really craving the company that a community provides. I want to start and be part of offline spaces, hence the club.
Zero chance of me joining the club. Too lazy, too content, too old. I wonder if the author is doing more than writing about it. Or is that 'doing something'? I suppose so.
I was frustrated with how little, proper and useful information there is out there about studying psychology and making a career in the field that goes beyond "study this, then this, then do this internship or that course, and get that credential" etc. So I started interviewing psychological professionals and launched a magazine. The second issue goes out tomorrow. It's the first time I've had an idea and acted on it so fast, which is what inspired the idea for the club--I was riding the high of actually having done something that other people found useful.
An esoteric subject. Hard experiments.
Lots written though.
So you get a group of "enthusiasts" who like to read. Write about what they read. And argue over the meaning of the cryptic writings. But never actually examine the subject matter firsthand.
And then, through a combination of literary cherrypicking, convoluted logic, and debate, they come to the conclusion that real experimentation is impossible. And anybody who says otherwise is either lying or a fool.
You see it a lot in religious groups. An airtight circle of scripture consumption, excretion and reconsumption.
A big problem with humans is that they find it very easy to see faults in the members of their outgroups but not in the members of their ingroups, and teaching about this phenomenon seems to have little effect.
I suppose the point is moot though, if you have the opportunity to see for yourself, but don't.
And as for what's actually going on there. I think there's a human inclination to live inside a bubble of dreams. Dreams supplied by solid authority/consensus/tradition but dreams all the same. And challenging the skin of that bubble is something that most of us are allergic to. And seeing for yourself, and challenging the skin of the bubble, is something that only special people are allowed to do. And special basically means not you or me.
I really didn't think very deeply about the whole thing before writing it; I was trying not to break my blogging streak. After looking at the comments though, I have a clearer idea. Might write about it today :)