VÉgA – Vocabulary of Ancient Egyptian
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* CDLI, https://cdli.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/, for cuneiform (tablets, seals, and other objects)
* Perseus Digital Library, https://www.loc.gov/item/2004564290/, for ancient and classical literature (started with Ancient greek and expanded to Latin)
If a small number of rich people donated a few million each, we’d have all tablets and other unread documents read in a short time (academic restrictions on access may be a problem) and they would look and knowledgeable.
There is a really large number of unread tablets.
People seem to have the impression that ancient writing is rare. It isn't. Two things are rare:
- Paper that can survive for thousands of years without rotting. This is why classical documents are rare.
- The desire to get some more ancient tablets translated. This is why translations of cuneiform tablets are rare. There is far more source material available than anyone is willing to pay for.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Egyptian_hieroglyphs
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see?
also wikihiero is crappy.
meanwhile, i don't suck at rudimentary code and banged this out quickly after self-teaching to fix it after the fact: https://github.com/semiessessi/beautiful-hieroglyphs/blob/ma...
also most other tools suck.
Your think they suck because they're not coloured? But black-and-white images are standard, that's how you'll be seeing them in dictionaries, textbooks and transcriptions.
Also, I think some hieratic texts use different inks, like red and black, and the transcription into hieroglyphs needs to convey this difference. If you use a coloured hieroglyphic font, it would be hard to transcribe these hieratic texts.
That sounds... vaguely inefficient to me? Then again, it's the same for "dog" ( https://app.vega-lexique.fr/?entries=w1699 ), so maybe I should start studying acient Egyptian to find out what's going on here... maybe it's determiners, or symbols to signify the start of a noun (but then, why are they different between "penis" and "dog"?)?
Explanations are welcome!
sounds can be overspecified for clarity. some of the symbols have multiple consonants.
here is something short i made whilst working toward automatic transcription, transliteration and translation
4 of the glyphs here are silent, despite having phonetic values (or you could look at it as different glyphs being silent...)
interesting point about the penis glyphs is that Google Noto font project has purposefully decided to leave it as tofu, so much for "no more tofu". Microsoft have done the same with their Segoe font...
All languages and writing have built-in redundancy
In Egyptian, you can probably get away with writing the determiner in question + vertical stroke below it, to mean the determined thing. I guess Egyptians would understand you (that's how they wrote some common words like 'sun', with sun disk + | stroke). The vertical stroke is somewhat like putting spaces around the symbol in our writing system.
But usually that's not desirable because then you need to be extra-careful with drawing your dog or penis. And most writing wasn't carved in stone, it was a simplified hieratic style where a length of one stroke could be very important
So, some redundancy is useful. In Egyptian it usually means adding phonetic symbols before the image (imagine drawing a pen before a penis to show how the word sounds; then, you could have also drawn a duck before penis before the penis image to mean a different word that sounds like duck).
Furthermore, in ancient systems, there's some nondeterminism in how you can write: you can write a word using only the meaning element, or only the sound elements, or a combination of both, depending on how you feel, how much space you have, etc. You see the same kind of thing in Mayan hieroglyphics and in Chinese writing before it was standardized by Li Si in the Qin dynasty.
This kind of system is useful because, by complementing the phonetic writing with semantic symbols, you can disambiguate homophones and maybe make reading faster. But I don't think this functional reason is why systems like this emerged: usually writing systems start off fully semantic and then acquire phonetic parts as time goes on. Semantic writing seems to be the "default" somehow, if you have writing at all, and phonetic writing is something that people have to figure out over hundreds of years of cultural evolution.
good to see such fine work!