Programming Language Inventor or Serial Killer? (2003)
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…aka a “serial” killer.
Sorry.
-- Toucan "Son of" Sam
that still doesn't answer the question??
I see myself on the screen as I enter and think "yeah, that guy's going to hold up the shop or something".
You could do a 'serial killer or ...' about anyone whose prime was between 1950 and 1970-some and has a lot of mostly B&W photos.
2/10 has a p-value of p = .057.
Or put another way, the 95% confidence interval of scoring 2 out of 10 covers 0.5.
Or as in Seinfeld, when George just decides to do the opposite thing he would normally do and things start going well for him.
But as a human I can be worse than random.
But I also think, most people have the potential to become serial killers. Hunting and killing is deep in our genes after all and society can mess up people pretty bad, so some turn their animal instinct against society, while maintaining the facade on the outside.
In psychiatry, you reach the coveted status of Antisocial Personality Disorder (the remorseless manipulative sociopath with a charming personality, but no compassion) by starting out with Conduct Disorder (the kids that hurt animals, lie, cheat, and steal) and not snapping out of it by adulthood
Humans are social animals. If your animal instinct is hunting and killing, and you feel like you're just maintaining a facade... good! You don't choose the instincts you're born with, but please keep maintening the facade thank you! :)
(Or after a 180 degree turn - for real in the military.)
And this is mostly successful, but push someone hard enough and violence will be the result. Otherwise there would not be so many murders and violent crimes.
Most people will just explode violently (and then regret) and the path of the silent serial killer is (luckily) rare.
But if you look at other (savage) societys where violence is still baked in, there simply are no pacifists there, so pacifism is not something we were born with, but a learned trait. And one that makes sense, to keep society stable, but I don't think it makes sense to fool ourself about what humans are capable of. Just look at Ukraine to see what ordinary civilized people are capable of, if put in a different environment.
We can point to war or to the Stanford prison experiment. People in unusual stressful situations have the potential to be abusive, or to follow abusive orders.
But there's a large gap between that and the kind of trouble that results in serial killers. Soldiers in a war are under terrible living conditions, and commit atrocities in the name of taking it out on the enemy.
But even the soldier does not stoop as low as torturing animals. The enemy, maybe, but not the innocent. Serial killers are completely indifferent to the pain of the innocent. Soldiers only hurt the outgroup, the enemy.
And I think you're being unfair to people living in more primitive societies. There's crime in every society, but you will not make friends anywhere by being antisocial. A small village doesn't survive by people turning against each other. It would simply cease to exist.
My claim is that most people do not have the violent impulses, and don't need to channel them. Some people do. And they benefit from channeling them, because bad outcomes happen much more often to those who don't.
Nature will beat the violence out of people, over generations. You simply survive less in aggregate with a harmful set of instincts. Most people have no need for hard to control violent impulses, and indeed tend to be born without them.
Oh for sure. Otherwise we all would live in fortresses surrounded by minefields.
"My claim is that most people do not have the violent impulses, and don't need to channel them. "
My claim is most people do not have them anymore (or buried deep inside). But most if not all kids do - they just (hopefully) learned at some point it is not beneficial to use violence to get what you want. Humans are very adoptable.
My main point actually is to prevent new serial killers from emerging by not treating them as a different species(where you cannot really do anything), but as ordinary humans where many things have gone horrible wrong in their upbringing.
I know back in my school were quite some canditates, but there was 0 official reaction towards doing something about it. As far as I know, none of them turned actually into a serial killer (yet), but I am quite sure with some it would not take much perceived injustice or merely boredom to take a dark path. But I actually have been through the limits of the legal system to get something to be done about someone who makes open violent threats. Largely unsuccesful.
I think this might come down to a question about nature vs nurture if we keep digging too far, but I fear I'm not qualified to argue much further than this :)
Appreciate the perspective, thank you
And resulting statistics, of course.
Or is it too dark?
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(I put 2003 on it because of https://web.archive.org/web/20031008105832/http://www.malevo... but I didn't have the patience to wait for it to load. How different can it be though, with that url...)
If you remember a time when programming computers was considered nerdy, in a socially discouraged and mocked kind of way (until it became big money)... a game of guessing whether a photo is of a serial killer or a computer programming nerd... might seem a little abusive.
Imagine someone doing this game back then, in that context, passing it around school (before cyberbullying), and it'd be pretty nasty.
We can say "but computer programming is OK, now that it's a status career that rich kids have blessed as cool, and kids don't get bullied like that in school so much, so now it's funny in a non-bullying way", I guess.
Still feels like punching-down, to me, but not everyone knows the earlier context.
And trust me, there are plenty of bullies in tech.
Don't worry. There's no one needing to be rescued here.
Or this way: Serial killers look like random people, just as programming language inventors look like random people.
OTOH, wouldn't it be "File system creator and killer"? :-(
The company you keep...
I haven't read up on Reiser since it went down-- it was the 2000s and I #believedallwomen so I wrote him off as a piece of shit. He absolutely did it, but in retrospect his late wife was a real piece of work herself:
> Nina was a Russian-born and -trained obstetrician and gynecologist[16] who was studying to become an American licensed OB/GYN.
> Hans' father, Ramon, became suspicious of his new daughter-in-law when she took the title of CFO at Namesys at that time [...] and claimed that Nina lied to him when he confronted her about inexplicably-fast-shrinking reserves of Namesys.
> Nina Reiser filed for divorce [...] citing irreconcilable differences and alleging that their children "hardly know their father" because he was out of the country on business for most of the year, according to court records. She was granted sole legal custody of the children and shared physical custody [...]
> Nina Reiser alleged in court filings that her husband had failed to pay 50 percent medical expenses and childcare expenses as ordered by a judge and was in arrears for more than $12,000.
> [...] on September 3, 2006, Nina Reiser dropped their two children off with Hans Reiser at his mother's house, where he was living at the time. The pair got into a heated argument over Nina Reiser taking the children to the doctor's, with Nina referencing that she had custody over the children, and so was free to do as she wished. [...] Hans Reiser alleged that Nina Reiser was fabricating illnesses in the children. In a fit of rage, Hans Reiser hit her in the face and strangled her to death.
> On July 2012, a jury awarded Reiser's children $60 million against their father for the death of Nina Reiser.[69] Reiser acted as his own attorney during the trial and tried to argue that he killed his wife to protect their children.
Having dealt with a custodial Munchausen/grifter parent myself since that played out, it's a fucking nightmare. Reiser was especially fucked with her having the credentials of a doctor; her word on medical decisions would always trump his. If the kid presents as sick in any way, you're a monster for not supporting medical intervention-- there is no support or framework for questioning whether such care is in fact iatrogenic. The most you can hope to do is stall for time and be as much of a nuisance is possible-- reimburse claims late, nitpick over accounting errors and contractual terms, question everything, invite yourself into medical discussions to challenge the narrative, etc. Someone with Hans' temper wouldn't stand a chance when it's an actual doctor colluding with colleagues to conduct these shenanigans.
And for the love of Christ, never accept these open-ended 50% clauses-- offer to pay more in support as a flat fee instead. Giving a bitter ex-spouse a blank checkbook with your name on it never ends well. And make sure this stuff has an end date in your divorce papers. It's 18/end-of-high school by default, but one trick I've seen (and been burned by) is the other party's attorney slipping verbiage in to make child support/medical payments extend to 21. It depends on the "illness" and whether they're also playing at disability fraud but when you're in a situation like this for real, you'll find the kids magically stop being sick all the time the day your support obligations end.
I think we could all agree that a person’s face might indicate ‘shiftiness’ or ‘meanness’ and that there is a decent probability that you’d be right in your assessment.
Has there ever been studies that correlate face types with personality traits?
One of the times, it escalated to genocide, and the people who committed that are widely known to history as the epitome of evil. They were trying to characterize and identify "lesser" people, and it turned out they themselves will be known forever as the worst of humanity.
There's some curious questions (e.g., why do so many overtly mean people we've seen look mean). But I suggest being careful with this space, and skeptical of people who are motivated to pursue it and those they attract.
Some names you can look up are Johann Lavater, as well as Alphonse Bertillon, inventor of the mugshot, and Francis Galton, inventor of composite portraiture.
This is still true, regardless of the money.
(some of the maniacs could have secretly designed prograrming languages too)
Schrödinger couldn't just invent a cyanide sensor. He was definitely a psychopathic serial killer in addition to being a serial pedophile (this bit is true).
I feel like with enough photos of just about anyone, you’ll eventually get one that makes them look sinister…
Serial killers have this spark in their eyes that is really difficult to hide.
And then there's the trick question where I was right that he looked like a programmer...
* HMU if you want to screen new hires/potential business partners, no refunds
If you get it wrong and they hire a serial killer... well, I don't think this policy will be necessary.
Great site, BTW. Plenty of other games and with an unusual twist they are selling them (the sub sites for the games)
In a previous version of this game on another site, Phil Wadler was one of the computer scientists and I was able to say "I've met that one! I hope he's not a serial killer..."
I thought one photo was of Larry Wall, but that was a similary looking murderer (and a programmer, but not known to invent any language)
Surprised that Hans Reiser wasn't on the list. (Or I didn't see him.)
"Wow, what a sweet old lady. I'm guessing she invented Fortra-- oh, she, murdered people for their social security checks."
I keep forgetting he killed just his wife, not his kids as well.
Not sure what that say's about me ...
Does that mean: A. I'm a sociopath because I'm unable to detect the cues
B. An inherently good / naive person that has never needed to differentiate between a programmer and a serial killer?
Til: keep away from people I think look like programming language designers.