You're Not Losing Fat Because You're Eating Too Damn Much
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Anyway. I used to believe this. Every few months I'd flip between dieting, and not dieting (putting on weight). When dieting, I'd go on a 500 calories restriction. This meant religious calorie counting, going to bed every night hungry, and generally being grumpy constantly. Waking up in the night because I wanted some toast or something and trying to work out if I could fit it into my budget. I got my daily calorie requirement down so well I could lose a pound a week reliably. But it was miserable.
Eventually, I'd meet a goal and start eating what I wanted again. And my weight would go up. And then I'd have to diet.
A shit life.
This year, I've started intermittent fasting (12/12), and every week or two I have a 36 hour fast.
I never feel hungry in between meals anymore, and even when fasting for 36 hours I only feel hungry for brief periods of the day.
If I knew this was possible in my early twenties I'd be so much better off today. Instead I listened to everyone online, don't care about what you eat just make it fit your macros. Reductionist bullshit in short. And in consequence my insulin was always up, always demanding more food.
However, to the author, I'm sure they feel good acting like everyone else is stupid. It all comes down to counting calories and people not trying hard enough right. Not fundamentally flawed advice at large on how to eat right, just pure moral failing.
Did you have similar success (or similar suffering) on an intermediate caloric number without cycling on/off?
I found it a lot less stressful to have a small deficit! I just have to remember to write down what I ate.
That said, definitely YMMV! I think if your BMR is only like 1000 calories and your sedentary energy level is 1200 calories, it would probably be impossible to be satisfied with any kind of calorie deficit. X_X I don't know how smaller people do it! My deepest sympathies!
And to be sure: I was regularly eating 3000 calories a day before I started in February. When I did - it took at least a couple of months to stop feeling hungry all the damn time lol.
I won’t be going back.
Edit: also, I was never massively overweight. Generally my waist at its height was around 33inches. It was just a hard way to live.
Once a week or two I skip a day of meals to make a 36hour fast. This depends on my social calendar whether it’s possible
Likewise, as I've switched to more whole foods I might eat, let's say, 4 whole peaches one day. My family speaks up, "4 peaches is a lot of sugar" they say, and they're right. But I used to eat 4 large candy bars in a day, plus a row of Oreos, and they said nothing.
I thought the energy was fueling my brain but in hindsight it was more akin to nicotine withdrawal than nutrition.
I don't mean to disagree fundamentally, intermittent fasting seems great and it's awesome that you've found a way to keep your calorie intake controlled without suffering constant hunger, but I don't get why you seem to think it's somehow in opposition to CICO. Of course you can eat 48 hours worth of food one day and 0 the next. That's kind of the beauty of it, as long as the numbers work out on average you can eat however you like - the only tricky part is that it's up to you to find a way to make the numbers work out sustainably. Which you have!
I simply don’t get hungry when I don’t need food.
When calorie counting Id be eating every two hours, constantly snacking and weighing a budget of calories I could spend on food.
Sure, technically I’m adhering to some calorie count that I don’t even know what it is anymore. But my body takes care of keeping track. I’m hungry, I have a bigger portion. I’m not hungry, I don’t eat.
And the fundamental thing is when I was calorie counting and eating whatever I wanted whenever I wanted, my weight was constantly going up!
It took constant vigilance and the willingness to go long periods feeling like shit to keep my weight in check.
Now, my weight just maintains. I never thought it was possible. And the simplistic ‘a calorie is just a calorie’ noise is no longer a belief I subscribe to.
If I do something like eat a big chocolate bar, I’m also immediately hungry again and craving chocolate and treats and processed food.
As part of my new diet I only have whole foods like rice, beans, meat and veg. This food fills me up and interacts with my body in a fundamentally different way than processed sugary food. I don’t even miss it, until I eat some. It’s wild.
I think that's probably vastly more important than CICO vs IF vs Anything else, tbh
I decided to try one of these famous GLP-1 agonists and oh boy does that change everything. My brain just decided to shut up all the food thoughts. Just gone. There is something in our current diet/environment screwing up our inner desire for food and that is reflected in our behaviour. Our conscious thoughts aren’t enough to control that behaviour fully.
I expect a shift in the future on how obesity is portrayed. It will go the same way as depression where we slowly realized “cheer up buddy” is not a valid treatment.
> The mouse that eats less but gains weight
> Unexpectedly, this increased adiposity is not caused by increased food intake. Instead, Mc3r-/- mice gain more fat per calorie of food consumed, apparently at the expense of their lean body mass. This so-called increased feed efficiency means that the mutant mice store more fat despite eating less than normal mice do, and they become obese if fed a high-fat diet. The mechanism behind these responses is unclear because the Mc3r-/- mice have normal metabolic rates, body temperatures, and thyroid function
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK2330/
Also a lot of counterpoints in this article.
https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-p...
E.g.
> consider Poehlman et al. (1986), where researchers fed a group of 12 men 1,000 extra calories a day for 22 days. On average the men gained about 5 lbs (2.2 kg), but some of them actually lost weight instead.
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> The fact that many of these are twin studies provides even more evidence against CICO. In groups of twins that are all overfed by the same amount, there is substantial variation between the different participants in general. Some people gain a lot of weight, others gain almost none. But each person gains (or loses!) about the same amount of weight as their twin. In some cases these correlations can be substantial, as high as r = 0.90. This strongly suggests that genetics plays a large role in determining how the body responds to overfeeding.
I've commented on this in the past but to reiterate, calories as a measure are pseudo-scientific at best and totally bunk at worst. If all you are doing is looking at that number on packaging, generally speaking, your weight control will be very limited due to the lack of precision in that measurement.
I suppose it's not quite as good as regular gymnastics.
Also, 'starvation mode' does not mean that the laws of thermodynamics does not work anymore. I dunno why this concept is so confusing to so many people. It's like people are trying to make this needlessly complicated or being deliberately obtuse because they have some axe to grind. It means that the body burns fewer calories than predicted by weight, physical activity, and other variables, which makes dieting much harder. It is sometimes called metabolic adaptation. So Instead of burning 2000 calories/day as predicted for your new, lower weight, you only burn 1500 or so.
PS: A bunch of extra work is near mandatory to maintain weekly mileage like this. Proper stretching and recovery--maybe some yoga. Lots of distractions from eating too much in the first place.
I know very few people at this mileage doing serious “extra” work.
Most people with a postsecondary degree who do something like use a gym or jog probably read Omnivores' Dilemma, may shop for organic food, and are more likely to be vegetarian. This demographic is largely incongruous with behaviors like tobacco and substance abuse, and frequent consumption of fried and ultra-processed food.
A lot of websites seem to contradict you. Several contestants kept the weight off so your comment is just inaccurate.
https://healthyeater.com/biggest-loser-then-now https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/02/health/biggest-loser-weig...
From https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/11/a-chemical-hunger-p...
Too many people like to point to the "yeah but's" on this topic when their underlying problem is that they eat too much and move too little. And then yes, there are people who have already fine tuned eating less and moving more and aren't seeing the expected deltas. Those are the people who should be worrying about the details. But for that bulk population it just turns into an easy excuse.
If you’re cutting it so close to the margin of overeating that you’re worried about insulin response impacting the amount of fat you accumulate, you’re eating too much.
If you are at 15% body-fat trying to get down to 10% for a competition, ok, bring out the research and the studies. That is actually quite difficult. If you’ve got a visible beer gut, we don’t need to bring advanced science into this. You just need to eat less and what you do eat should not be soda, doughnuts, and fast food. It isn’t that complicated.
Basically almost all the research I’ve seen on keto suggests this isn’t true. That on the contrary the primary driver of weight is hormones which is driven by the composition of the food. Anecdotally I’ve confirmed this and lost tons of weight while increasing my calorie intake.
I understand your position, it’s simple and people are splitting hairs. I don’t think that’s the case.
On the other side (increasing metabolic rate), there is widely-held misinformation: that it is "easy" or desirable to burn calories through exercise. Unfortunately, the human body is extremely efficient at long duration, low intensity activity. Us humans can run down most any fleeing terrestrial animal on flat terrain through a combination of high endurance and caloric efficiency. [1] This is why caloric restriction is far more time, cost, and effort efficient than exercise. Said another way: the most effective categories of exercise such as weightlifting, HIIT, and 30 minutes on the elliptical are beneficial for multiple purposes secondary to weight loss.
A rough guide to caloric density is dry food weight (minus all water). And double anything containing oil, cheese, or cream.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis