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“Alien corpses” shown to Mexican Congress

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It's literally just the Nazca mummy hoax. Same bodies.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/hoax-three-fingered-nazca-m...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DmDHF6jN9A

The carbon dating thing is odd. To start with, "able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating" is a sentence that makes no sense to me. Secondarily, I wouldn't think that you could apply radiocarbon dating in a meaningful way to anything that's not from pre-nuclear-testing earth. It'd assume the C14 ratios are the same as earth's.

There is a lot more that's odd and not believable of course, this is just something that stood out to me.

This reads like a Fox News broadcast. Bunch of smart sounding science words twisted into a salad for the gullible.

>Secondarily, I wouldn't think that you could apply radiocarbon dating in a meaningful way to anything that's not from pre-nuclear-testing earth.

I don't think this is relevant. For C-14 dating, the way it works is that as you are alive, you take in sources of carbon, and some well understood and modeled percentage of that carbon is a radioactive isotope. That isotope is produced when csomic rays hit the upper atmosphere, and that C14 then reacts with oxygen to make C(14)O2. Plants turn this radioactive CoO2 into other organic matter that is eaten by other things and incorporated into their body.

The moment that animal dies, C14 stops being added to their body. As C14 has a known rate of decay, you can look at the percentage of carbon in the sample that is C14, plus the decay products, and estimate how long that sample has been not alive, which for old things, correlates well with how long ago it was alive.

"Mr Maussan has previously been associated with claims of “alien” discoveries that have later been debunked, including five mummies found in Peru in 2017 that were later shown to be human children."

It does not seem to be the most credible person to show evidence.

On the other hand, there aren’t many credible people working in ufology. The US government representatives were in the hearing. Other universities should be able to confirm and validate any results.

Like with room temperature super conducting, extraordinary claims need extraordinary validation.

Although the whole hearing was around 3 hours long from many different people from different countries (France, US, Mexico, Peru, Brazil, even a congressman from Japan), this particular part of it is a known hoax.

Now, I'm not sure about the other claims, it's interesting to see that the ones that seem more legitimate are actually no more than what pretty much everyone knows... weird objects in the sky moving in ways and speeds that we know no technology is capable of. There's also similar things in the ocean and some describe certain "weird objects". But... that's about it. I mean, there's _a lot_ of it and from different countries; so I'm very much willing to believe.

But then, on the other hand, you get people like these showing off these "alien bodies"... it really takes away from the more credible claims.

I think, personally, if you're more seriously interested in this kind of phenomena just following what Avi Loeb is up to might be enough.

Let's just remember what happened with LK-99, if there's a big discovery that is in any way credible we are most definitely going to see a flurry of scientific development/refutations around it. Now, it's true that governments might be keeping things from us and we deserve to know; so I'm still very happy to see these kinds of hearings going on.

Wouldn't we expect to see substantially more than 30% of the DNA be different.

I don't think carbon dating can be used to extract DNA.

I also would have thought DNA would have degraded significantly over that period of time.

There are probably a thousand more reasons this is blatantly false, to those with scientific knowledge beyond my early highschool experiences.

It's bizarre and fascinating the Mexican government has entertained this.

It is like a highschooler tried to makeup a convincing story. If they had DNA it would have been sequenced and the code shared the next couple days. It would have been THE BIGGEST find in molecular biology, ever.

All that happened is some idiot Senator invited some idiot scammer to give a talk about his scam. I don't think they really had to "entertain" it and it has no legitimacy.

But he testified under oath!

According to witnesses at the hearing he also “crossed his heart and hoped to die”

The DNA difference is likely mostly due to failed sampling and lack of good data in existing databases

https://www.reddit.com/r/genetics/comments/16hb5th/nhi_genom...

There are (~conspiracy) theories out there for hybridized/synthetic human-alien biologies, so it's not completely unexpected or unprecedented discourse in the UFO world.

Humans share ~60% DNA with fruit flies, so the reported ~70% similarity seems quite low for such a "quasi-human" figure.

Perhaps you could make a case that DNA retrieval from such an old sample would be corrupted. It does seem more like the figure is tuned by the exigencies of pop-sci click bait.

Anyways they shared the full sample online, so legit geneticists could potentially weigh in.

It's not outside the realm of possibility that life on earth might have been seeded from other alien life either intentionally, or by viruses or bacteria hitching a ride on meteorites.

> who were able to draw DNA evidence using radiocarbon dating. WHAT

or even WHAT???!!!

And remember, extrordinary discovery requires extraordinary proof.

…and this time they are for real !!!!11!!1!!!1!eleven

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Earlier discussions over here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37493573

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37492730

What does DNA evidence from radiocarbon dating even mean? The two things have nothing to do with one another and the guy seems to have a reputation as a charlatan. It’s just weird that the guy can’t pull off reasonable science based hoodwinking, he’s so pathetic he can’t even pull off something a zoomer with a tiktok education could pull off.

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