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Comment by mathisfun123 | Hacker News Reader

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why do people do this?

> I don't see hype they outlined a roadmap and are working on it.

they have been touting superset compatibility very loudly and then quietly writing conservative docs and roadmaps. you really don't see that or are you just bending over backwards to give them the benefit of the doubt?

> Not sure what fancy means in this context

you don't? then what exactly are you implying/suggesting here:

> Have you looked at the team?

moving on;

> Come to think of it I don't really remember Chris not delivering on a project.

already in my memory/experience (which is only a couple of years in this area): swift4TF and chisel (or FIRRTL or whatever). you can deflect and blame org charts or whatever but if you're gonna make the rounds on the talkshow/podcast circuit and take credit on the upside you gotta eat the blame on the downside.

i'm sure chris lattner is a great, smart, genius person. i'm sure everyone at modular is. i'm sure 100MM is a whole lot of runway to deliver. but they haven't delivered yet so their claims about being a superset and/or 35,000,000xxxxx perf gains are all (at least by me) taken with a grain of salt.

I def give them benefit of the doubt. Swift4TF totally outside of what I do so no clue to what extent it was delivered. Maybe I am just too fond of the idea of having Rust features with Python like syntax and not paying enough attention to the fully compatible part as it's not something I personally care about.

> Swift4TF totally outside of what I do so no clue to what extent it was delivered.

it wasn't

https://forums.fast.ai/t/where-is-the-future-of-fastai-swift...

> not paying enough attention to the fully compatible part as it's not something I personally care about

then maybe you shouldn't be bullying me into agreeing with you? dontcha think?

I am bullying you ? Are you for real?

I'm just saying why try to convince me I'm wrong if you haven't been paying attention to the thing you're trying to convince me about? Like how does that make any sense?

You were literally bullying this person and being very condescending and then turn around and accuse him of bullying you. Why is it ao hard for you to accept that some people might different opnions?

> Why is it ao hard for you to accept that some people might different opnions?

you're passing over a very crucial detail here: this person's opinion consisted solely of

> Have you looked at the team?

they themselves finally admitted it at the end. this isn't so much an opinion as hero worship at best and fanaticism at worst.

That was not an opinion it was an honest question. People use past performance as an indicator for future performance thats not a very unusual concept and not really "hero worship at best and fanaticism at worst."

I gave you two examples of past poor performance and you either blithely ignored them or dismissed them as unimportant because it's "totally outside what you do". Then at the end you admitted you don't pay attention to the details. So we're either back to why are debating things you don't understand or why are you fawning.

The thing that always gets me in these pissing contests is some random decides to wade in based purely on ____ and then when I point out ____ I'm the asshole. Like isn't it clear you just shouldn't have started making claims? Why am I in the wrong for knowing/understanding and demonstrating that understanding but you're not in the wrong for just guessing?

Could you give me an example of a "claim" I made ?

how many more tedious questions are you going to ask?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

this is literally 2nd question I have asked 1) Have you looked at the team 2) Based on your postulate that I should not be making claims wanted to see an example of claim I should not make. As I don't think I actually made any claims. I am not sure why this is tedious 1) is pretty much yes or no 2) is just copy paste of a "claim"

To be fair mathisfun123 was originally responding to someone who tried it out and was somewhat disappointed by the state of things given the hype. It's a valid point.

Responding with only "have you looked at the team?" with nothing to say about the current state of things, which was what the sidethread was about, is what probably set them off since it is actually a pretty patronizing thing to say.

You want to give more leeway to the team because you think they earned the cred. mathisfun123, not impressed by the details of certain past projects, is not going to hold their breath until the current state justifies the current hype.

Both are reasonable positions.

I had 0 intention of it to sound patronizing as you prob noticed english is not my native lang.

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