Tech workers flocked to Austin. Now they're desperate to get out
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I'm talking about the fast food workers, retail shop assistants, cleaners in the Google offices, etc. How are these people able to afford the average monthly SF rent on their hourly wages?
There’s even an award-winning independent film about the topic (a fictional drama) from 2019 called “The Last Black Man In San Francisco”.
It's pretty easy to find rent sub-1500/mo, which is definitely affordable for most folks, but you obviously need to taper your expectations. Minimum wage around here is +$20/hr.
Otherwise, is the salary gap so big that people would not be better off working closer to home?
However, personal vehicle use is not tax-deductible for individuals.
All of the complaints listed here (hot weather, shit-tier public transit, etc) were true of Austin prior to the Great Migration.
Everyone wanted in though because Austin is the first place people think of when they think of Texas, it's the only major city in Texas with rolling hills, it's perceived as the only non-conservative city in Texas (it is not), 6th St and Barton Springs are fun, and Texas has no income tax and cheap real estate.
Now that real estate prices in Austin are significantly higher than they were in the past, a self-induced problem BTW!, and the Real Texas Heat™ has finally come, folks want to move back. (Property tax rates in Texas have always been high, and they only go up every year.)
Austin was always a small town with Texas government and a huge school with a huge American football team (UT Austin). I don't think it was designed with the explosive growth that it has seen in the last 15 years.
Its road design is proof of this. US Interstate 35 cuts right through town and it only has one partial ring road (TX-130). It also has the MoPAC (TX-1), though that expanded and, consequently, became a partial toll road.
Compare this with Houston, where I live. It has three huge interstates going through it (US I-10 east-west; US-45 north-south; Texas I-69/US Hwy 59 SW-NE), one huge and constantly problematic interstate beltway (US I-610) and two state ring roads (TX-8; TX-99). It is designed to accommodate and move a significant population (or significant freight, which it does also).
Austin has always been overrated IMO.
Houston is way bigger, more liberal and diverse (in every dimension, not just race, but it is extremely racially-integrated) than Austin has ever been and has a world-class food scene but gets 1/10th of the hype because...actually, I have no idea why?
Dallas is also way bigger than Austin and actually has a tech scene of sorts (though it is old and enterprise-y) along with more moderate (but still hot) weather but didn't boom like Austin did. Why?
Only coming here to comment as someone in tech who did some informal comparisons during the height of the pandemic.
Probably the biggest thing Austin seemed to have going for it is the combo of tech+diversity+what seem to be outdoor activities. Lake Travis looked tempting. [1]
Houston probably has tech+diversity but there's no outdoor placemaking.
Dallas probably has some tech+some diversity+slightly more outdoor activities.
San Antonio/Hill country seems like it might have some placemaking but no Tech and less diversity.
[1] The Oasis on Lake Travis Discover Austin: The Oasis - Austin Eats
Try Denver.
Houston has always had a bad reputation for hot, humid weather. We're talking oppressive heat. Add hurricanes to the mix. Harvey wasn't that long ago and we remember the massive flooding. No thanks.
Austin doesn't have that problematic weather. Their temperature is a few degrees cooler than Houston, and their humidity is a few percentage points lower. It may not be much, but every bit helps. Though Austin also got hit by Harvey, they didn't get hit as bad.
Austin also has a great music scene that's nationally recognized. Austin is a major league music city for producing well-known artists.
Austin is cool, Houston is not. It's really that simple.
What Austin lacks though, as you mention, is infrastructure. I know of many cities across the U.S. that are 1/3 to 1/2 the size of Austin and has more infrastructure. Not just highways and roadways - they lack conference space, they lack terminals at their airport, they have very little public transit - it's pretty bad considering the size of the population.
Between Houston and Austin, Austin wins it hands-down. It's a great place to visit, though I wouldn't live in either city.
Knowing something and experiencing it are two different things.
Everyone moving there knows it gets hot. But if you've never experienced 100F heat - especially not days in a row - you have little to compare it to. Theoretical knowledge compared to applied knowledge. Heck, even if you have experienced it, you probably did it in completely different conditions. For example, the Midwest gets hot sometimes, but that heat is different and lasts shorter times than it tends to in Austin. (Which is also the reason folks moving from Arizona to Indiana get shocked at the heat + humidity combination or why 80F near the arctic feels warmer than it does in some other places)
This is rhetorical ofc because I have interpreted to be a baseless attack on the tech laborforce because of their above mean income.
Austin has long historic temperature ranges well above 100. The highest temperature (112) was recorded in 2000. It gets really hot. The record for the number of days > 100F was set in 2011, at 74. It also gets really cold. The record for the most number of freezing days was also recently set in 2022, with 51.
https://community.cloudflare.com/t/archive-today-does-not-re...
One affects their DNS resolution of archive.is, GP is talking about Cloudflare's endless captcha portal on that site. Strangely enough, it works for me today, but a few days ago I couldn't get past that obnoxious screen.
I just wish people would stop flocking to Cloudflare and making the internet even shittier than it is.
The thread you’ve linked to isn’t very clear on its own -- it seems like it’s missing a lot of context.
The first reply makes it sound like archive.is is blocking Cloudflare, but it sounded like you meant the opposite.
(And I assume this is all separate from the CAPTCHA thing, as the other reply says)
2023:'public-dns'
You may also try an archive.today mirror;However, changing your DNS is the answer to the problem.
You will see I do not have any problem accessing archive.is
The Cloudflare vs. Archive.today is a years old problem, thoroughly discuses on HN:
And for the record; I use Firefox with uBlock-Origin and Steven Black's hosts file on a Debian flavored Linux.
Of course I no longer use Cloudflare DNS
Cloudflare can't point me to their own servers when I access https://archive.today unless my browser confirms that the server it's talking to (the one serving the CAPTCHAs) has archive.today's certificate's private keys.
'"cloudflare" vs "archive.is"' site:news.ycombinator.com
One of the more current threads; Does Cloudflare’s 1.1.1.1 DNS Block Archive.is?HN Discussion - (210-comments - 2023-08-02) : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36970702
However, All our comments regarding DNS have really derailed this thread. (sorry mods)
This doesn't explain why some would see a huge amount of CAPTCHA served by archive.is or archive.today if they do reach an IP that serves the right TLS certs, but only if they got that IP from 1.1.1.1 instead of getting it from 8.8.8.8 or wherever.
Sometimes I wonder if half of the city is not owned by FAANG, so they can get back some of those paychecks they sent you.
* Property tax policy that strongly favors not selling and not renovating;
* Numerous private rights of action that people can bring against new developments;
* State and municipal agencies with a wide variety of rules available to them that can serve as a basis for obstructing new developments;
* Large areas of the state that have been declared "open space" by various towns and cities.
An alternative is to take something that has been tried and tested elsewhere that's not easy to move from place to place, and just go to a place where there's high potential demand and not yet any supply, and offer it there.
The picture in my mind is: There's this guy dreaming about becoming a billionaire by setting up "tinder for pets", but now he can't do that. His problems are: There are no high-profile speakers at local tech conferences, internet connections at cafes suck, and grocery stores do not carry his favourite caffeinated beverage.
So, why not do that? Invite some high-profile speakers to local tech conferences. Partner with local cafes to provide better internet. Set up a distribution channel for a caffeinated beverage. If that's the situation he's in, there's a pretty good chance that any of that is probably a more useful thing to do than "tinder for pets".
Mass migrations are ripe with economic opportunity, it's just a different kind of economic opportunity.
The current dilemma does present an economic opportunity.
They should, or their friends should get hold of Rogan and Hinkcliff, both of whom are promoting Austin aggressively.
There is a good living there for some peeps.
But I think these people weren't trying to move to a place where the problems were at least solvable. They were trying to move to a place without problems. That isn't Austin (or anywhere, really). Not finding what they were looking for, they bailed.
Surprise, more traffic.
It is a trade off when you can choose either side.
Other than grad school (and a few years as a toddler), I’m a life-long Texan and a former resident of Austin many, many, (urp) many years ago. Even then, Austin was becoming increasingly lame over time. It’s still a fun place to visit occasionally - better scenery than Houston! - but the fun, chill, outdoorsy, live music scene has been twisted into some sort of bizarre playground for sheikh failsons, libertarians who couldn’t hack it in California and the low-tax pilgrims who stepped on the rake of our very high property taxes (and suspiciously low services, but that’s neither here nor there). And the whole vibe of the city is strange - it’s generation after generation of adults who live like they’re still in their 20s, forever and ever - and not in the good, young-at-heart way. More like the “trivia night, then ultimate, then pub crawl” circuit every week well into their 50s. Maybe later!
The way I feel about Austin is if the smartest, most interesting girl in your high school class turned into a trophy wife soccer mom who … lives in the hills outside of Austin. It’s an appealing life in some - many - ways, but so, so vacuous and, in my mind, just not that interesting at all.
It's 50% genuine complaints + 50% really bengin stuff. It is almost as 50% of tech workers think like small children or have OCD and hate changes.
The author ignored a whole range of more serious issues about services and safety and symbol-politics and instead mentions things like "not enough museums"...