There’s been more effort in the Ember community poured into telling us it’s not dead yet than into doing anything relevant outside the Ember community in the last decade.
Might as well have said Dojo and Knockout, it would have meant the same thing.
Might as well have said Dojo and Knockout, it would have meant the same thing.
Neither will ever be popular.
Because it's always be easier to learn and spin-up an Express.js or any front-end library with a single index.html and tinker away.
> than into doing anything relevant outside the Ember community in the last decade.
Quite dishonest, and not sure why you're turning this into measuring exercise, so I won't bite.
> Might as well have said Dojo and Knockout, it would have meant the same thing.
Someone should tell Apple, HashiCorp, DigitalOcean and Microsoft they're not cool anymore releasing new stuff in Ember.js, must pick a new JavaScript framework of the year!
If you're going to call me a liar though you need to do better. What has Ember done but continually play catch up for years and years on end? Here, go look yourself: https://github.com/emberjs/ember.js/releases How many years do you have to scroll back to find anything that influenced anything outside of Ember? The last influential ideas might have been EmberObject to fill gaps in the Javascript language before ES6 became a thing, or the idea of Ember Data as a front end opinionated ORM, though that has mixed results depending on your backend team's buy in.
> Someone should tell Apple, HashiCorp, DigitalOcean and Microsoft they're not cool anymore releasing new stuff in Ember.js, must pick a new JavaScript framework of the year!
Or I can just look at what front end jobs these companies are posting: https://www.indeed.com/q-apple-web-developer-jobs.html?vjk=b... https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=hashicorp+front+end&l=&vjk=90c... https://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=Microsoft+web+development&l=&s...
and plainly see that they're not Ember, they're entirely React.
I can find ONE mention of Ember from your company list, and it's a nice-to-have skill for a backend role: https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=7751f4d47fbf9760&tk=1h9hc6...
If we're going to suggest any dishonesty is taking place, it would be the implication that these companies are Ember shops and not just dealing with lamentable choices that happen to still be in production and too costly to replace.
It sounds personal for you.
React is more popular than Ember.js will ever be.
However this is apples to oranges, one is a view library, the other one is a batteries included framework.
I think you're a little out of touch if you honestly believe Ember and especially Ruby on Rails are legacy products. We have multibillion tech companies shipping 10+ years old existing apps and building new apps in both of these frameworks.
This mindset of branding stuff "legacy" because it's not trendy on Twitter or reddit is one of many reasons why JavaScript fatigue exists.
All while Ruby on Rails developers are one of the most happiest and productive web developers shipping stuff because they don't need to reinvent the wheel and solve problems that have been solved a decade ago. (p.s. I've never done RoR, I just understand what convention over configuration does to developer productivity)
If you want recent examples, go look at Apple TV web[1] built in Ember (even though I personally wouldn't use Ember for such a project) or Hashicorp building all their products in Ember and releasing their new Helios design system[2] in Ember just few months ago.
Again, these examples don't matter.
I've hired full-stack JavaScript developers, I couldn't care less if they've done React, Ember, Angular, Vue, Svelte or whatnot.
Because it'll take any proficient JavaScript developer a week or two to understand the concepts and structure of any framework or library above. They all do the same thing - render pages and wire up buttons to run network requests, I don't understand why people make it sound knowing React, Vue or Ember is equivalent to knowing C++.
It's all JavaScript doing the same thing slightly differently.
> What has Ember done but continually play catch up for years and years on end?
You can find your answer here https://www.intercom.com/blog/evolution-of-ember-at-intercom....
> How many years do you have to scroll back to find anything that influenced anything outside of Ember?
I can tell you about ember-fastboot, ember-engines, miragejs, glimmer vm, i18n, accessibility and other things Ember and Ember community have done to SPAs in the last 15 years, but again, why does it matter right now?
Stop measuring who's done more. There's nothing I can tell you that will change your mind, just enjoy whatever you use now.
All the best <3
[2] https://www.hashicorp.com/blog/introducing-helios-hashicorp-...
I'm surprised by the number of people swearing by React as if it's some holy grail of UI technology that will never die. Popularity is meaningful, but only for a while.
Just like there used to be a jQuery plugin for anything you wanted, there’s probably a similar React solution for anything you want. Outside of React or Vue you’re often reinventing a wheel. It’s doable but not productive.