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Comment by freitzkriesler2 | Hacker News Reader

Upwork. Solely up work.

Wow, I tried upwork but it generally always seems to be entities in significantly cheaper countries underbidding everything.

How did you get started to snap up your first jobs on it?

No idea on the specifics, but the theory goes like this : clients have been burned many times over cheap solutions. Cheaper is usually more expensive on the long run. For this to break the circle you need reputation of reliability.

I didn't nor do I use Upwork. I'm just saying what the reality is.

If you're in the US, restricting yourself to jobs where they are limiting to the US results lessens that problem (doesn't eliminate it - I suspect there's a ton of fronting accounts)

I've tried it on the buyer side and anything less than $50/hour can't speak proper English. It's definitively cheaper but not significantly; and if you add the struggle of going through all the profiles, then the price will match reality.

Just wait till chatGPT hides this telling input signal. I mourn for humanity.

If you are cool with $12 USD an hour: it is the place to be.

You can do "decent" rates in the US if you only look at gigs that are only looking at US contractors.

Upwork can work for very niche things as a extra channel. I've seen it work for people selling packages of "I'll fork bitcoin for you for 2k". For normal contracts it's terrible.

I started on freelancer websites when I was 15 and it was nice to bag 20$ per hour plus extra if I happened to be faster.

But the more experienced you get the more you can charge and use your network instead of cheap jobs on Upwork.

Upwork is masochism

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