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- npx create-next-app@latest

- npx: command not found

- install node / npx

- npx create-next-app@latest

- realise your node is too old

- install nvm / node

- npx create-next-app@latest

- answer a bunch of questions

- npm start

- get an error: Error: ENOENT: no such file or directory, open '/tmp/my-app/.next/BUILD_ID'

- npm run dev

- hello world in browser

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> - install node / npx

> - npx create-next-app@latest

> - realise your node is too old

Said no one ever. I can fully understand you not having Node installed (although having any kind of toolchain installed is a prerequisite for any programming so that's a weak argument against Node). But please don't tell me that somehow you will get an old version of Node after you just installed Node, because this is just reaching now.

> - npm start

> - get an error: Error: ENOENT: no such file or directory, open '/tmp/my-app/.next/BUILD_ID'

The README that gets generated with the project literally spells out the correct command you should use to run the project during development (which is not `npm start`), so this argument is also pretty weak.

Don't forget, Next.js has telemetry by default unless you run:

  npx next telemetry disable

Or set environment variable:

  NEXT_TELEMETRY_DISABLED=1

This is why web development (and python, don't get me started on the pain that is python) is not for me.

What do you code in? For any language if you don't have the toolchain set up, obviously it'll seem laborious to install it, it's not a knock on the framework used on top of the toolchain.

But python is already installed on most linux systems

Which Python, 2 or 3? How will you handle local versus global dependencies? Will you use pip, conda, virtualenv or something else? How will you package up the code and/or executable?

It's not as simple as shipping code to the user.

Java/Kotlin. You define where to get the dependencies in a simple script, you define the version of the build tools, a wrapper script fetches the build tools (gradle) for you and that's it. Everything is neatly cached system-wide where possible and on a project-level otherwise. No conflicts, no shenanigans.

You still had to set that toolchain up, which is my point.

If you don't have the toolchain set up, it's not like it's different for any other language.

- echo "hello world" > /tmp/index.html

- browse to file:///tmp/index.html

echo - command not found (maybe you're on Windows)

browse - no browser installed

edit - no editor found

See, I can do the same thing. In any case you need a toolchain installed to actually program in the language you want to program, even if that toolchain is minimal. Complaining about a toolchain not being installed for the thing you want to do is not very useful.

There is always a text editor and browser available on any OS, yes even on Windows.

> In any case you need a toolchain installed to actually program in the language you want to program, even if that toolchain is minimal

Yes, as I said.

npm is biggest hurdle for me to learn nodejs.

For me it has never worked in first attempt.

On other hand Ruby on Rails bundler very rarely game me errors, and for every error provided hints what to do.

The issue in the above example is not NPM, it's Next.

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