IBM promised to back off facial recognition, then signed a $70M contract for it
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“IBM firmly opposes and will not condone uses of any technology, including facial recognition technology offered by other vendors…”
They didn’t feel the need to “include” themselves in their definition of “any”Last decade I know of three different firms being selected, where they guaranteed to succeed on speed requirements (some even saying its tested inhouse), only to admit failure after year of trying, taking all their hardware back with no pay. IBM at higher price was selected as backup, and every time was the only firm actually able to deliver on their promises and meet the benchmark requirements.
I often see IBM getting a lot of flak here for whatever reasons, just sharing some counterweight.
Plus, having seen/heard a lot about how salesman are employed - all too often their commission/compensation is locked in when the contract is signed. They get their money regardless of what happens a year or two down the road, and are thus incentivized to "misrepresent" performance and capabilities.
Blue Waters is a great example of throwing away years of work and pivoting to the backup plan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Waters
As far as I understand it, the project saw substantial delays so far.
It's a dying business to be in, even if IBM excel in it.
disclaimer: I work at IBM Research but this is my own opinion.
BWAHAHAHA! Nothing about that program had any redeeming quality, the fact that everything was based on solidity was enough to confirm this: I knew IBM would be split into 2 companies when the upper brass refused to wise up to the obvious scams like ETH and eventually with Stellar. So much is put behind short term gains selling Z mainframes and empty promises of Watson for everything that nothing gets left over for anything actually innovative.
Tell me, for all the anti BTC propaganda in the training and talking points, it must really have humbled a few people and hopefully got enough people fired to see that the SEC and even Blackrock ended up on our side and not yours.
Instead all IBM has is a place amongst all the other s** coins no one uses with nearly no utility/volume or value to speak of [0]: whereas BTC keeps breaking hashrate ATH.
You guys really dropped the ball on this one, and to be honest the fact that it's a bunch of dinosaurs running that place made it apparent it was never going to live up to it's promise: I just wished the rank and file had taken more effort to make this happen, some of us did try, as so many corps IBM services were willing to pilot-test this tech.
I hate being this crass, I really do, but seriously you guys really screwed this one up.
No companies in SV, or Microsoft/Amazon, offer a single product that has that kind of guarantee, that I know of.
- "Men and women at IBM promised to back off facial recognition, then signed a $70M contract for it"
- "Men and women would sell equipment for total surveillance and oppression"
etc.
The reason I think this is important is that there's actually a very small number of people relative to the general population that are capable of producing this technology. It's easy to be angry at the suits, or at the broad abstraction "IBM" for enabling this, but the fact of the matter is that there are spineless cowards out there getting up every morning to go and build facial recognition software. They deserve the ire of thinking people. No matter what the era is, there will be sociopaths running large organizations looking to control everyone, but these days there's a huge coterie of nerds getting paid handsomely to help.
It's hard to be brave when you have to support a family, pay for a mortgage, pay for the kids' college, etc.
I remember feeling queasy, almost 20 years ago, when I got hired for a very good salary to do helpdesk, and realized the customers I had to support included some Bad Actors: big mining, big arm manufacturing, even big spying... but I could finally afford to buy a small house, marry my partner, and start a family. So I sucked it up, and without that experience I wouldn't be where I am now.
By definition, the only time it's possible to be brave is when it's hard.
BASHIR: It's not your fault that things are the way they are. LEE: Everybody tells themselves that, and nothing ever changes.
Agree otherwise.
Lots of those inside the company are convinced what they are doing is good.
We must stop blaming "the system", or "inevitable progress", or "capitalism", or whatever abstraction. It is terribly weak and avoidant to do so. It seems perfectly fair to put names to actions having broad effect. I think the (as you say) _few_ people who make far reaching decisions in technology deserve treating as de-facto public figures, as worthy of public scrutiny as political representatives.
Want to "invent" some disruptive new technology that changes the world? At least have the decency to put your name to it, stand by it and defend it ethically. Otherwise what you're doing looks more like terrorism than science.
Actual individual _people_ make awful decisions, knowing that they are awful, and hoping to get away with it through "safety in numbers". We should welcome whatever puts moral pressure on such individuals to act properly, and not to hide behind their "gang". Corporations have become a rock beneath which rather little sunlight shines nowdays.
You're right about that, but unfortunately got the facts wrong. In reality most people that weren't high ranking officials were let go.
Almost any technology can be abused. There are a lot of good uses for facial recognition and also a lot of bad. I don’t think the people who develop technology are responsible of cowards for how it’s being used. That’s up to the big guys. If you want to work on stuff that’s for sure only used for “good” purposes, your world will be very small.
“Oh no they’re just people, let’s be nice”: ok if they’re just people then they can hear the responsibility and the blame. They did the wrong thing and deserve the shame that comes with that. If we’re expected to remember the humans in the org, then the humans don’t get to hide behind nebulous, faceless, corporate veils.
Businesses straight up killed a reporter with a car bomb a few years back. They don’t give a fuck.
How many companies blatantly break the law only to pull some accounting magic to entirely avoid consequences (Canada oil is legally required to clean up their mess, but never do. It always falls to the taxpayer with zero business consequence).
How many times to they break the law, only to get a small slap on the wrist while running away with billions in profit?
Companies don’t give a shit if something is illegal.
Nature knows no morals, so I guess acting without morals is a more natural state, thus provides fewer constraints.
Morals and ethics are purely human constructs, thus to follow your conscience is to be more human and less inhumane. That makes me feel good. Maybe we need a pill to improve one’s ability to hear their conscience.
I don't know how to prepare for it, though. What should I be doing, and what should I be telling others to do?
I always demo it where people are open to it, I show them how it can used to steal their banking data (that has been the case already for many years), explain how everything they do is tracked (to those a little bit savy i show them the "hidden" tracking pixels here and there), I demo how people can talk about certain topics or search on site A and then similar content is shown on site B, and so on.
Spread the word, demo, explain, educate.
The mainstream is interested but they don't know how it works. They imagine cabals of people in secret dark chambers when in fact it was product managers in daily standups planning and delivering all this and an all too open to corruption politicians happy to keep the maases obedient and numb.
So cabals of people in secret dark chambers?
I don't recall people holding daily standups in dark chambers. Perhaps in a dark pub but there's nothing secret about it.
I am actively moving away from any type of serveillance device and software, where possible of course. Moved away from the data scraping OS made by windows to linux. De google, de apple, and spread the word. There may not be much we can do against the sheer amount of public surveillance we enjoy, a level that makes the STASI and KGB pale in comparison, other than voting voting and voting. Protesting and vandalism would only ridicule any attempt.
Oh and I feel that there may also be a market for people that want an online presence but in a protected way. So starting businesses around that may also help. Nothing fancy. Just simple stuff such as not tracking users and not manipulating them. Requires avoiding venture capital, and that's fine. No point in being a paper millionaire with no life anyway.
This is how :-) I am not trying to live like a hermit locked in a forest. I do what is reasonable and learning more about how to do it even better.
Time to buy that country estate surrounded by trees so the surveillance state can’t see the finer details of your eyes with their AI cameras
Individualist solutions don't work here. Only regulatory solutions can address the source of the problem and those require solidarity and collective action.
Where has technology as disruptive as 'AI' ever been defeated by regulations? That's just more rules that the rich can ignore with impunity.
Western society doesn't really have real solidarity. It's a performance we go into every election season but it's just that: a performance.
Society will do nothing about this until it affects the rich. As always.
That's the likely outcome if people are lead towards that outcome and if that's the only given option. And so far the only voices that validate their concerns are those that would benefit from such outcomes. Those that want a "better world" are too busy berrating those that have genuine concerns and as a result the only people they can take refuge in are those like Musk. It's time for genuine innovation and genuine conversation without losing track of the good in both sides.
Each cell acts as its own social media platform similar to how Mastodon works. The primary differences are: A. Cells are centralized on the platform, not federated. Makes it easier for users. B. Cells are dynamic. People can make cells, merge cells, split cells. If 50 percent of people in the R++ cell want to be more racist, they can vote to split and be moved to another cell. C. Cells are relative i.e. they exist on a map, people can compare their cell to others, any cell that exists is public and can be related to another cell.
Then provide tools for organization and communication, provide tools for policing and enforcing cell dogma, and then provide the tools to allow for fundraising of whatever causes the cell deems just. Add competition between other cells. Allow it to be integrated with other social media. Make it go viral.
Powerful populist movements have been built on solidarity. This is impossible in current social media which fragments political blocs creating detractors of every belief in every comment section. Remove the detractors and you have progress, radicalization. Thoughts?
but indeed this issue is not aligned with traditional political divisions. there is simply no meaningful part of society that is better of from this large scale digital surveillance that is being inflicted against all people's best interest. the only beneficiary is the small oligarchy that is orchestrating this.
Unfortunately the damage from that will be severe and will probably make everyone on the left double down about how AI is "safe" and all that. Remember Alex Jones et al conspiracy theories about powerful people being involved in a pedophile ring? For years it was widely mocked and dismissed (including by me) and then Epstein came to light. The prediction was far from perfect, but was right in overall gist, but the suicide was largely the end of the reporting. A lawsuit here and there but very little news coverage and a lot of weird stuff was happening around that, to the point that even "regular" people think it was a conspiracy and Epstein didn't kill himself. But it went nowhere.
Then there come people like Jones, and fill in the void, and suddenly name the issue (naturally they name a false issue, but nonetheless it sounds plausible to the untrained), and they do so in terms easy to understand. Now if they do this for a decade or longer they've successfuly radicalised people and polarised society just like we have been radicalised into thinking that these folks are just idiots and have no value.
That's why we need patience, active listening to their concerns, and actual real solutions that take into account the needs of both sides.
> people think it was a conspiracy and Epstein didn't kill himself
The guy is not interesting nor is the gossip. What I am worried about is that there is a climate that can even lead to a conspiracy theory. It means a good chunk of people don't trust any of our institutions (EU/US/UK) - the police, the government, the media, the prison system, are all rightfully prone to being suspected of dubious acts. We haven't been therein that cell, and the revelations surrounding Epstein have shown that even people that once were considered to be trustworthy beying doubt are now less than 90% trustworthy. Us saying he did kill himself is as ridiculous as those saying he didn't. We simply don't know, we paid investigators to do their jobs with no room for doubt. Why aren't they doing it?
Re: Epstein, if I meant to imply that I thought Epstein did kill himself, that was a mistake. I have no idea of course, but it seems pretty reasonable to me that he didn't...
> IBM signed a $69.8 million (£54.7 million) contract with the British government
Ah, just good old fashioned grift. Nothing to be concerned about. The money is being spent on executive bonuses and government official kickbacks, not developing facial recognition.
Source: father works for government and sees budgets for how much is wasted on IBM doing fuck all for the money
It's a reasonable explanation, but not the only one. You're taking a huge organization or organizations (UK government departments) that have a revolving door of top-level leadership, plus ever-evolving technology, plus another huge organization (IBM) with a huge cast of people constantly being shuffled around...
Incompetence, disorganization, bad management, bouts of good management trying to re-rail things, new leadership undoing old leadership decisions... I can think of lots of reasons why government projects fail that aren't directly tied to corruption. (And just because there's corruption in a deal doesn't mean the vendor won't deliver, the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive.)
There's plenty of other explanations that don't include corruption.
Lack of scope, mismanagement, what's developed isn't what they wanted, the people who decided the specs aren't the people using it so it's useless, etc.
We actually ended up delivering the first phase of the project (well, the 2nd iteration as the first was completely fluffed up by other developers trying to make a really complicated SPA that wasn't needed), but declined to bid on the second as we actually lost money and it was by that stage obvious they wanted the moon on a stick for phase 2 for very little money.
One of the Big Four were looking over the architecture in the 2nd iteration to make sure it could "scale" appropriately. But they knew exactly the load the app would face. 120,000 applications every year in the space of two months. It would never increase significantly as it was a factor of the total population. And it was basically a glorified 10 page form (admittedly each page had some complicated question routes depending on answers).
The architecture, which included event-sourcing, API gateways, load balancing and an inexplicable use of the mediator pattern (didn't make the slightest bit of sense), was utterly pathetic. Yet signed off as "best practice" by two separate software architects in the big four.
Within weeks I was pointing out serious bottlenecks in the code plus violations of GDPR that the client had explicitly said to watch out for. Any time we had to add a new property to the most important classes we had to change about 30 odd files, it was "best practice" gone nuts.
All that crazy architecture when a simple, normal, sane, "monolith" web app could have handled that load easily on a small VM. For a lark I refactored the DB saving code to see how much simpler I could make it and think I got rid of 25 of the 30 files and thousands of lines of pointless code in a day or two. Of course, it wasn't signed off by the "architects" so I didn't bother trying to check it in.
Considering they have tens of billions in revenue every year, a lot of people. But what's IBM's niche? I remember they promoted watson a few years back and nothing seems to have come out of that. IBM is such an iconic name in tech but I don't remember them doing anything noteworthy for a long time. At this point IBM is just famous for being famous.
IBM doesn’t market services… they market solutions. You contract with them and they figure out how they build something for you. And it may include Watson.
1. Risk aversion. "Nobody gets fire for buying IBM" still has some truth to it. Even if they don't deliver, the fact that IBM is one of (or the?) largest consulting firms in the world is in itself a defense for selecting them.
2. The government bid process. I don't know how this works in the UK, but in the US you have to jump through a lot of hoops if you want to work on government contract, so the same few firms tend to get selected a lot not because they are good, but because they know how to work the process.
Knowing IBM’s consultancy track record, this will serve as a money and time honeytrap for any government interested in this while not actually delivering any useable tech.
Even at the granularity of individual humans, what people want to do is largely orthogonal to what they do. In James Clear's book Atomic Habits one of the more hard-core ways of pre-committing to a course of action is to write a contract with an "accountability partner."
Below is a sample:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/jamesclear/Atomic+Habits/Habit+Cont...
Krishna noted that back-office functions, specifically in the human resources (HR) sector, will be the first to face these changes. In recent weeks, the company has opened up dozens of positions for AI-based roles to help develop and maintain these systems."
The mask has fallen.
OpenAI saying they will keep your private data safe from being used for training? I am wondering what the story will be in 5 years hehe
I'd assume they would be seen as a freak by the average person, in the same way people under the age of 60 who don't own a smartphone are today.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/gezichtsbedekkende-...
I wish I was wrong.