X plans to collect biometric data, job and school history
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No, in both android and ios biometric data is never given to the app for touchid/faceid. It just notifies the app if the authentication passed/failed. So they would never need biometric data to enable biometric authentication.
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I think that the better base rate would be stories from Tesla, etc. Of which I imagine there are many (I don't have time to keep up with specifics)
IOW, if any lessons were learned, the folks that learned those lessons have a >50% chance utilizing what they learned at another company.
So, yeah, expect the bait-and-switch.
Sources:
- https://www.apple.com/business-docs/FaceID_Security_Guide.pd...
https://jalopnik.com/dennis-from-always-sunny-got-his-tesla-...
…Controlled by Apple and Google.
FFS ! Pure FUD and you know it.
I don't know about Google, but with Apple, the data necessary to validate the fingerprint is stored on the device's secure enclave[1].
Its not readable by apps on the device, let alone Apple !
(I imagine Google devices are the same, I just said "don't know" because I don't have the first-hand knowldege).
> FFS ! Pure FUD and you know it.
I did not say, or mean, “access to the data”, which is why I used the word “control”. Apple designed a system that runs on their devices and are the ones steering its evolution.
Apple’s whole business model requires people placing an immense amount of trust in them.
But sure maybe they’ll burn down their trillion dollar company so that they can steal peoples biometric data and get into their twitters.
...Both of whom manufacture hardware/phones where the local processing of biometric data takes place.
Even phones that don't offer biometric devices officially need to be trusted not to have hidden fingerprint sensors or iris scanners or whatnot.
Nobody has any clue how they will gather this data or even if it is for android or iOS.
It could be part of the X phone. X could use the camera and implement their own face unlock for X. X could use voice.
(Though, I think there actually _was_ a short-lived Twitter-branded phone, back in the day... Anyone remember this? Am I totally imagining it?)
The point of my post was huge assumptions about how the data would be collected. It’s such in the box thinking that the only systems that exist are that of Apple and Android.
Further more the responses and down votes just hi-lighted the bias reactions of all those musk haters.
I don’t even have twitter or what ever they call it know. I just know what a bias zero thinking assertion looks like.
He thinks LinkedIn is cringe (fair) but has a position where he can ignore lots of professional norms. LinkedIn is cringe because people are deliberately trying to respect professional norms and post weird, sanitized, work-appropriate content.
Imagine you’re a recruiter. The selling point of X jobs is that they will give you access to people who found professional norms too hard to follow? And probably some specialists who would be hard to recruit, but maybe they get income that’s a multiple of several boutique recruiting agencies from that.
This isn’t like stackoverflow jobs where the base is correlated with technical expertise - X jobs is correlated with people who are terminally online who think being polite in their work-facing lives is something that people don’t actually want. What hiring manager wants to draw from that pool?
It _is_ cringe, but not the stuff my "network" writes, and not really based on writing style, for the most part. It's mostly just the sponsored and boosted stuff. That also wasn't my favourite content on Twitter.
If X tries to become LinkedIn, it sounds like their major opportunity is to become the worst of both worlds. And what Elon thought was "cool" in the past was, at least in my opinion, mostly not.
Does anyone know how to efficiently unfollow large numbers of people though? I was way to promiscuous in the early days and want to winnow down to someone I've actually worked/socialized with.
Wouldn't the impact largely be on how people looking for jobs on X would have to clean up their profiles/history?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-08-22/instagram...
Someone should let the CFPB know.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37226812 (CFPB data broker citations)
I think you have some pretty serious misunderstandings. WeChat isn't popular in China because it's controlled by the government. IIRC, it's popular because it was better than other Chinese social apps. It's only controlled by the government to the extent that everything is controlled by them. It's only "forced" on people to the extent that Visa, the telephone, or Facebook is forced on Americans.
In other words: WeChat can't be lazily though of as the Chinese equivalent of Telescreen from 1984, where everyone is forced to have and use one, even through it may function similarly in other ways.
This was also the case with countries in South America and Africa.
And people like Musk alread behave like dictators.
What do you think why companies went to China in the first place? Because of the great environmental and human rights?
Second I could criticize Apples business in China even if I would use an iPhone.
Third, I wrote people like Musk, that already says I don't mean Tesla only but all the companies that don't have a problem exploiting people in countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Russia etc.
Just look how well VW played together with Pinochet in Chile.
It's popular because it's functional, has strong network effects, and people don't care about centralization or second-order effects.
Now, in the US, we see it as the role of regulators to break up unfair monopolies, and even "fair" monopolies get a lot of scrutiny. In China, the gov doesn't really complain because they can piggyback on WeChat as a control mechanism. But the government is not why WeChat is popular. It's popular because it's good!
in the immediate, effective sense. it works and people use it.
It's obviously Xitter, pronounced "shitter".
bad for your health, and the whole left/right thing is a sham.
Raider heisst jetzt Twix, sonst ändert sich nix.
(Raider is now known as Twix, nothing else changes.)
Ever since the Twitter/X renaming my brain short circuits and I got this annoying jingle stuck in my head. Twix - harmful even 30 years later.
one might call it a disorder. an addiction.
So Musk is dreaming of a dystopia where he is one of the power.
I was in China in Sept 2019 (what good timing..) and without WeChat I did feel if people thought I was from some remote remote village. I saw an old lady who had a rickety old cart with coals and a big pot, inside the pot were warm corn she was selling, and on the cart was a QR code to pay her with WeChat/AliPay.
You can fill out official government documents in WeChat.
Virtually all mobile payments in China are handled by WeChat/Tencent. That's not an accident.
I really hope "everything" is an exaggeration.
Also for advertising, monetization, tracking, selling services to government agencies, and training their machine learning bots.
Not for your benefit, but for X's uses and benefits. You are the product and X wants to sell your info and attention so Elon can earn his money back.
Facebook was too. Hell, probably everyone does it.
What in the world makes you think that? Musk is pretty clearly against this government, and openly so - if he wants to sell services to government agencies, he's definitely on the wrong path.
Hah, owning Twitter, if was competent, he could've gotten a Rupert Murdoch level of kingmaker powers. Too bad his shrewedness is as great as his level of wit: thinking that dragging in a kitchen sink into the offices is a clever pun.
This is SpaceX's entire business model, at this point. He's definitely not against it if the money is right.
Musk is a military and intelligence contractor. He makes bank on the government. Look at his actions, not his words.
He wants to sell advertising. "Government advertising" is a thing in some countries, or so I hear.
Surveillance and protecting the homeland from threats is also something that some governments might pay for.
"Musk wants X to become more like Tencent Holdings Ltd.'s WeChat, a messaging service turned super-app that offers everything from social media and video games to fintech. X Chief Executive Officer Linda Yaccarino has said X will include features such as payments and banking."
If that doesn't scream social credit score then you're intentionally ignoring it.
How about I flood your whole city with robotaxi cars and make it cost a nickel a mile, but you must be an X account holder, must use the X app, must pay in X-coin, and must submit to whatever other perverse encapsulation Lord Musk decides to implement. How about I only carry X-related data over my global net of satellites, forcing most connected people to buy from my ISP, must pay in X-coin but it also only costs 20 bucks a month. On and on, it seems pretty transparent to me.
It's all a furious and cynical land-grab in preparation for a very dystopian future.
Original lore: http://ibgwww.colorado.edu/~lessem/psyc5112/usail/library/hu...
But in this scenario Twitter is like Vanuatu planning world domination. They have absolutely no leverage to compel anbody to sign up for a Twitter account. Musk would need to spend significanty more money to do any of this, and frankly, I feel like he will spend the coming year being an election provocateur than do anything productive.
> How about I only carry X-related data over my global net of satellites
Just cherry-picking this one but, but it would get regulated and competitors would come on to the market, and you can also obtain service from traditional providers (ISPs, and mobile providers) like you do today.
Also you can see how well these items work now ala Apple (maybe Google too?). Apple Card, iCloud, iPhone, Car Play, etc. good luck competing with that when people actively hate your products lol. I'm not super worried about this. I'm much more concerned about something like disinformation campaigns on social media or something along those lines than I am any sort of competence with Twitter turning into a dystopian nightmare machine.
The US or the EU are not China. People generally don't accept being forced to do things and I wonder about the legality of it all.
Twitter had the same level of brand recognition that google has. Musk threw that away for a bad rebrand. He just wrecked a company out of spite, or ignorance.
It's surprising he didn't do his own social media to try and outflank them on features from the ground up. It would have been cheaper too.
Unless he aims for influencer branding and consumption of curated content [1] and not the free expression of unpopular opinion, then it's a very cold and one dimensional target market. It's the opposite of what Twitter once was - brief musings thrown into the wind. Instead, people will consciously and deliberately pander to an audience for subs, views, and income. It'll no-longer be a platform for casual, jokey, sarcastic fluff, or raw, honest, and radical perspectives.
[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/social-media-dead-instagram-...
Effectively, Musk paid $675 per (American) user to bootstrap his everything app. Probably easier to incrementally add features to the-app-formerly-known-as-Twitter than to build something brand new, even if you can get a ton of sign ups when it is first announced. Take threads as an example, people got excited for approximately 1 minute, then forgot about it.
Unless people have no option but to use it, it won't work. For example, the onl reason I use Paypal is that 20 years ago, Ebay didn't offer an alternative. Today, I use it because I can unsubscribe from stuff with one click. I'd never use it otherwise.
That billionaire man paying generous amount to users would have been a fortunate event to users collectively, but that's it.
Twitter might have had. X no.
They would prefer everyone using their app and not artifically limiting to a subset.
That's only something governments or captured corporations do and Twitter/X is neither. Although that could change and worth raising the possibility. Is there any way they could institute a hard constitution-like policy that could prevent it from ever sliding down that slope?
With an ad exec at the helm?
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"Job Applications / Recommendations. We may collect and use your personal information (such as your employment history, educational history, employment preferences, skills and abilities, job search activity and engagement, and so on) to recommend potential jobs for you, to share with potential employers when you apply for a job, to enable employers to find potential candidates, and to show you more relevant advertising."
Basically, LinkedIn.
Maybe that?
Who is more believable, a person who has built/built-up and runs several multi-billion dollar companies and accomplished more in his life than 99.999% of people that have ever lived?, or the random person on the internet who likes to anonymously criticize successful people?
Sounds a bit like jealousy to me.
Also today's Musk isn't the same as yesteryear's Musk. Back then people still gave him the benefit of the doubt and allowing him to hype things to the moon. Today he is disliked by a hell of a lot of people making everything he touches toxic to those people.
I don't think "Adhering to contracts is for little people" is much of a libertarian point, let alone an elaborate one, but what do I know?
From the article "Twitter is testing a job board feature on profiles of verified organisations" https://thetechportal.com/2023/07/21/twitter-job-listings/
Musk and twitter has cash, precisely because they are choosing not to pay anything. That tends to do wonders for your cash flow. That doesn't mean they are profitable, or sustainable.
https://www.ft.com/content/32568ca1-464b-4fcf-8694-44be6be3d...
It's like some mornings you wake up and your toaster decides it's going to try and be a washing machine, which is kind of annoying when you just wanted some toast. But it's not about what you want, it's about what the toaster wants.
It's easier if you remember it's not your kitchen, lower your expectations, or just stop easting toast, breakfast is overrated anyway.
Honestly it seems like it already has that with all the other half-baked microblogging services.
> Nothing is trending right now. Check back later!
Incredibly popular server.
But yes, the server is also not very popular (Because it was just set up as a joke after twitter was renamed).
Fortunately it is only about the text-first social media platform turned dumpster fire.
And the employment history? Perhaps X want's to be the next Linkedin too?
"People send me LinkedIn links sometimes, but the cringe level is so high that I just can’t bring myself to use it, so I ask for the resume or bio to be emailed.
We will make sure that the X competitor to LinkedIn is cool."
From the guy posting 'memes' and far-right talking points.
They’re trying to be both LinkedIn and reddit. I don’t want my real name on reddit but I would for linked in.
It’s an issue they need to solve.
Clearly does NOT say safety and security of *WHOM". My first thought is the priority is the safety and security of X Corp.
Identification, yup, we're the target.
_If you want to_, the process would be take a selfie and a picture of your government issued ID, and they will use AU10TIX to verify that they match.
To post to Twitter, simply look at one of Sam Altman's weird orb things.
This is something you do at your peril.
Perhaps Musk expects the US government to partially subsidize this venture too...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_...
From the platform that launched the Arab Spring.
Or with biometric data for that matter.
The only reason I use things like HN, reddit, twitter is relative anonymity without a lot of effort. I've used the past few months to set up my own mastodon, password server, matrix server for my friends group. I'm just waiting for everyone to start demanding ID and that will be the final nail in the coffin for this stuff and end of an era for me. I don't need anyone telling me to "end it now!", that's impractical until they force my hand, I'm a pragmatist.
Otherwise just delete your accounts on all these social networks already rather than continuing to complain here.