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It’s not “free market”/competition when one country continually steals IP and then produces as its own

That depends on whether one believes one can own an idea. Germany did not acknowledge IP rights in the 19th century and their economy rapidly industrialized and boomed. US industry also got its start by ignoring British IP laws.

So it sounds like its bad business to trade ideas for future markets.

This doesn't change the fact that — from the perspective of the US — it does't make sense to sell H100s to China

Whatever stealing China does, banning exports of certain items to them isn't going to prevent it from happening: enough will get through for it to do any R&D on them it wants and doesn't do anything to prevent corporate espionage.

They can do all the R/D they want, however, they can’t produce on a large scale. Meaning, they won’t have a lot of the same capabilities these chips offer at scale.

It doesn't, but it makes it that much more difficult and any barrier, no matter how slight, slows down the effort.

And like I mentioned in a comment above, it's the US drawing a line in the sand, signalling to the world you can play nice and continue to have access to US tech, or don't and good luck

"Playing nice" in this case being adapting to a cultural hegemony. For all my issues with China and it's government I also like to live in a world where different states try out different ways of relating to intellectual property.

And will it really take researchers in China that much longer to get a chip? Maybe like a few extra weeks?

So you're saying that Chinese having little to no respect for IP is just their culture? And we should respect that?

And you think 'a few extra weeks' is all it'll take for the Chinese to develop the technology that ASML has taken several decades to perfect, which is required to produce these chips?

I guess if they steal ASML IP, sorry, relate to ASML intellectual property differently, you might be right.

> So you're saying that Chinese having little to no respect for IP is just their culture? And we should respect that?

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Do you feel that our relationship to intellectual property is somehow less rooted in culture or that it deserves more respect?

> And you think 'a few extra weeks' is all it'll take for the Chinese to develop the technology

No, I said that a delay of a few weeks before beginning their research wouldn't be a major setback in the grand scheme of their work.

Well the concept of IP property is just an unilateral decision from those who want to use that as a commercial weapon.

Nothing else.

It doesn't mean the concept is universally accepted.

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