SpaceX CEO claims he can send you on a round-trip to Mars for $500K
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The head of the servicing missions was a boisterous, outrageous, personality (some told me it was what held him from higher positions within NASA). He was the kind of guy who brought in a sales guy for a rapid prototyping machine (a 3D printer starting at $1 million), walked in half way through the presentation, and then promptly kicked the salesman out for not having a $200k offering.
He was also the kind of guy who demanded composite structures yielding 10X the mechanical properties of the current state of the art materials. But with no research projects, development, or anything even close to it. Just "get it done".
Of course, we didn't get it done (because it was impossible), but what we did get done was a major leap forward. We used materials without, gasp, flight heritage. We used the absolute state of the art in some cases. We got it done, it's just that it wasn't what was asked for, at least not directly.
This smells of the same thing. But don't underestimate the shear force of personality it takes to make such outrageous claims, and still have people follow you to something remarkable, yet more realistic.
First, there is the rocket equation. That little gem tells us the amount of fuel it takes to achieve a given change in velocity for a given energy density of fuel. Then there are some results from orbital mechanics and aerodynamics that tell us what that change in velocity is. For the curious, escape velocity is just sqrt(2) times the circular speed at any given altitude.
I've laid this out before, but here it goes again. To put a pound of anything into orbit has a fuel cost of a little over $20. "Incredible!," you say, "It costs $10k/lb on the Space Shuttle! How can that be?!" Like so. Typical mass fractions are on the order of 2%. That is, 2% of the stuff on the pad, fuel, structure, payload, everything, actually ends up in orbit. About 12% of that mass is structure, things like tanks and engines and the like. That leaves 86% of the thing as fuel. 86:2 is 43:1. 43 lbs of fuel for every pound of payload. Assuming that propellant is roughly as dense as water and roughly the price of milk, both easily verified, that's under 6 gallons of propellant for every pound of payload, which will run you $21 at $3.50/gallon.
Multiply sqrt(2) by $21/lb and you have something like $30/lb. If you and your capsule weigh 2,000 lbs, That's $60,000 for a one way ticket. A little over 8 times that price may be a reasonable number. So, what makes up the difference in cost for current launch systems, or even for antiquated and clunky systems like the Shuttle? Low safety margins and their concomitant need for enormous administrative costs for each part, disposable launch systems where that administration cost burns up in the atmosphere or splashes down in the Pacific, and enormous system complexity driven by a lowest-flight-weight-results-in-the-cheapest-vehicle mentality.
We can begin to address, based on SpaceX's design philosophy and planned vehicle, how they may be able to make these claims without deserving to be "laughed out of the room."
First, SpaceX has reduced engineering and integration costs by reusing common components and simplifying designs at every step. they were (and I think, still are) using a pintle injector which is much less susceptible to catastrophic combustion oscillations than the more typical injector-face solution, at a cost of some performance. The tanks for all of their stages are the same diameter, allowing them to engineer and build one capital-intensive jig rather than two or three, and they get more experience with that hardware since all their work is done on it. They're using a pneumatic stage sep mechanism rather than a pyrotechnic one to eliminate material-handling, static, and other safery concerns related to pyrotechnics. Rather than relying on one or a few very large engines to power the first stage, they've chosen to use 9 smaller engines on the first stage and isolate each one in its own cato-proof container, again allowing them to gain more experience with a single system, prove its reliability, and leverage that experience and track record to perform a larger job.
Second, they have plans for full reusability of the launch system based on incremental changes to their existing systems. Yes, there is a fuel and performance penalty for going this route, but the savvy armchair aerospace critic will note that those penalties are expressed in tens of dollars per pound, whereas 100% disposal is measured in thousands to tens of thousands of dollars per pound. That is to say, even if reusability results in a 10-fold increase in fuel cost but allows vehicle cost to be amortized to negligibility, we're still approaching Musk's $500k/flight number. As to his actual plan, the fuel cost to land a booster segment is tiny compared to the cost of launching a vehicle. The first stage will simply reenter without having to retro-burn, and the second stage will need to retro-burn just enough to enter the atmosphere to achieve the rest of the braking. After that, the delta-v required is on the order of 100m/s, hardkly the 10km/s needed for orbit. You seem to know what you're doing, so I leave the derivation of that penalty, using the rocket equation, to you.
tl;dr: You're absolutely wrong in the most irrelevant way, and had you addressed SpaceX's achievements and plans in anything like a rigorous way, you could easily have answered your own question.
EDIT: The fuel cost for escape will not be sqrt(2) times the cost for circular speed. The real factor will be something more like 2 or 3, not 1.414... Still, we're in the range of $60/lb, not $6,000/lb.
So I was going to call bullshit on your price for rocket fuel given that regular gasoline is more expensive than this, but I looked up the price [http://www.desc.dla.mil/DCM/DCMPage.asp?PageID=722] and it turns out that's pretty close to the current price for JP-5. The most expensive fuel the DOD uses, JTS, is only $6/gallon.
Reasonable people can disagree, but I wouldn't bet on Musk being alive to see the first successful round trip to Mars. But I also wouldn't bet against something truly amazing coming out of his activities.
-Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I think personalities like Musk are behind the above quotation. A dreamer with demands, and the demands are concrete in the respect that they may be technically possible while still being dreams - be they Mars at 500K or yielding 10x the mechanical properties. I think people are drawn to such personalities because it seems to be the most encouraging way you can possibly frame a dream.
That quote sounds pretty awesome. However, in the real world that's not how most ships are built. There's a lot more "giving orders" than "teaching to yearn". It's not like the shipbuilding industry is famed for the dreamy yearning of its laborers.
I would actually say, don't underestimate perseverance. Might sound like he is an optimist, but I think you have to be with anything to do with spaceflight. At least at this day an age. I would also consider him an expert in the subject, and what are you?
The point of the matter is that this kid did his homework and deserves everything he will earn in this endeavor.
There are lots of experienced, credible people who cannot do what Musk does with his outrageous dreams (and they are outrageous - to Mars and back for the cost of a upper middle class home in the US - think about that). To dismiss his impact as the consequence of success is to miss the true source, I suspect.
Such a technology really is a game changer for the economics of the mission. And you can send your robotic fuel factory and make sure it's working before you commit to launching people.
The idea of producing rocket fuel on Mars is not only a good one, but quite likely the only way such a mission would even be viable. The idea of hauling all that extra rocket fuel for the return trip to Mars and back simply doesn't work.
The Apollo astronauts were exposed to approximately 1140 millirem over a 9 day mission, while the average here on earth is 350 millirem per year. Nuclear workers are limited to about 2000 millirem per year... so the approximately 52,000 millirem per year the astronauts would receive on a Mars mission is a problem.
In essence, let's assume you've made your own fully-shielded space capsule for one, and that you need, for example, a pound of material for every square inch of its surface, and that you've made it into a sphere to economize on material. Wise choices, all of them. A 2m diameter capsule would come in at 19,500 lbs, or so, for that many square inches.
Congratulations. You've just found out why we don't shield small spacecraft. Now, however, let's get an estimate of what it would cost to shield 200 people, providing them each with a volume-equivalent of your capsule, or 4.2ish cubic meters per person. Really packing them in. This is a 11.6-meter diameter sphere, with roughly 3,300 pounds of shielding per person. At 2000 people, packed in like sardines, we're at 25.2 meters in diameter and 1550 lbs of shielding per person. A 54-meter sphere packs 20,000 sardines, and requires a mere 717 lbs of shielding per person.
A factor of 10-20 better. Obviously, we want to relax the space constraints a bit. However, the form factor of shielding in the larger craft is going to be much better suited to the reutilization of supplies as shielding. In the limiting case, of course, there is effectively no required shielding per occupant. Long before that, magnetic shielding schemes become a viable option, too.
A more practical limit would be to consider a transport module made up of re-entry craft seating 1-10 persons, with the ablative heat-shields and supplies facing outward. In this case, assume we can get down to 5 times your cross-sectional area in shielding, and guess that that's about 2.5 square meters. That's 4000/lbs per person. So, still a factor of 5 better than the solo case.
Additionally, this is a lot of arithmetic to ask of google and http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-solids/sp..., so the numbers may be off. Also, the Dragon capsule checks in at 5.8 m^2 of heat shield per astronaut, which may be a practical limit. And I just made up the 1lb/in^2 shielding requirement.
(100 rem = 1 sievert)
So in 9 days, they got 11x more than the EPA's yearly limit to the public, or 1/5th of the EPA's yearly limit to radiation workers.
The 520mSv warpspeed listed as a trip's radiation exposure comes out to 5x the lowest yearly radiation exposure 'clearly linked' to increased cancer risk.
So yeah. A problem, barring adequate shielding, if that number is correct.
Doesn't that completely depend on the thickness and material of the walls of the spacecraft? I.e., isn't it just a question of making the walls thick enough?
The problem with shielding is the weight involved to achieve any level of protection.. wrapping the ship in enough lead to make a difference would be hard to get it off the ground. Also while this type of shielding may be effective against normal solar radiation, high energy galactic cosmic rays are far more dangerous and are almost unaffected by conventional shielding.
If you're interested, I recommend this paper. It goes a bit deeper into exactly why radiation is such a problem for any proposed Mars missions (warning, PDF):
http://spaceradiation.usra.edu/references/Ch4RadCarcinogen.p...
What happens to your Mars departure window when the rocket carrying your life support system goes off course and is destroyed by the range safety officer?
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/308/1
I hope this technology is thoroughly investigated before moving forward with the standard absorption method of radiation protection.
Whole body doses of 1 to 2 mSv/day accumulate in interplanetary space, and
approximately half of this value accumulates on planetary surfaces (Cucinotta et
al., 2006; NCRP, 2006).
That's millisieverts per day, not sieverts. Am I missing something?NASA has been making progress in making astronauts less susceptible to radiation damage through diet and vitamins. There's also this paper which talks about a vaccine that's being tested to counteract some of the body's responses to radiation exposure (PDF):
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/2007002...
The limits for nuclear workers are extraordinarily conservative, so it may not be as much of a problem as you'd think. Given the safety track record of manned spaceflight, the radiation is probably the least of your worries.
Could this theoretically stop radiation, and protect them? Lead blocks most radiation, specifically gamma.
The idea is good, most mars plans include a shelter with a water or rocket fuel shield.
A better solution is water. You need to carry it anyways.
You certainly won't be drinking that water after a while, though. Some might be used for cooling systems, but you would have a lot of extraneous water.
Also water basically can't become radioactive. The isotope of oxygen with the longest half life, and more neutrons than the stable ones, has a half life of 26 seconds, so it doesn't stay radioactive.
If you manage to bind a proton (it's virtually impossible for oxygen, but lets say) and make fluorine, the result has a half life of less than an attosecond.
Deuterium is not radioactive, and tritium is hard to make (you need deuterium first, and there barely is any in your water).
The radiation could theoretically fission oxygen into other elements, but that's very unlikely, and the results have extremely short half lives.
In short: Water can't become radioactive, which is why it's so good as shielding. (However water can obviously be contaminated by something else that is radioactive - so don't go drinking the water in a nuclear reactor :)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17439490
Just skip the stories and listen to the audio, it's much more informative.
edit- Parachutes are probably more practical. They work if you make them big enough.
What this means is that the chute gets bigger much more quickly than the payload as you increase lander mass, to the point that you quickly get outlandishly large and impractical chutes for manned landers. Hence the research into alternatives.
Then send these to Mars, have them remotely operated and autonomous and build a habitable setup there first without humans.
Then ship fuel pods to orbit mars which would allow you to go there with an empty lander - fill it up in orbit then land.
I think we need to take logical steps before we shove humans in a pringles can and launch them to mars.
Ouch. I hope that $500,000 is refundable in case of death or accident.
> Any human that makes the trip will be stuck inside the vehicle for the 214 days it would take to actually travel to the Red Planet.
I once made a road trip from Seattle to Tennessee in 3 days. In the middle of a frigid winter. During blizzard conditions. Of course we took breaks to get out of the car, stretch our legs, have a piss and get some fresh air. At the end of the trip I was ready to hang myself. The boredom and rigor of endless driving became unbearable. The prospect of taking a similar trip, over a much longer timespan, in much more hostile conditions and paying for the privilege is not appealing, at all.
Well the good thing is that you won't have to do the driving part..
Imagine if some one told you Shangri La actually exists and you have to bear some pain for an year to get there. What would you do? Will you take some pain to get there and live at Shangri La for some days?
I definitely would. And I'm sure many would.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Mons
Mars also has an atmosphere suitable for flying around in with helium or hydrogen balloons. You could mount a camera on a bunch of balloons and get some amazing pictures.
If you don't mind my saying so, "The view is better" doesn't sound like your real reason for preferring the moon.
Does that sound unappealing to anyone else?
So any crimes on Mars would probably fall under the jurisdiction of the country who launched the mission. Enforcement on the other hand might be tricky.
Perhaps it will end up in a situation akin to Antarctica.
Thanks for the clarification on the subject.