The price for saying something ignorant was usually pretty high in the form of verbal abuse, and you had to be willing to cater to that elitist attitude in many cases. Infosec had, and continues to have a gate keeping problem. The strange thing to me is that the scene pretty much died, but these zombies live on, half alive but without a strong community talking about them.

Btw not talking about spender or jduck here, just the scene overall.