Scientists in Antarctica say they were left alone against sexual harassers

Then again, I'm often accused of having too strong of a sense of justice.

Boggles the mind. I really don't accept leadership as the problem. Better would help, but at some point people need to own their behavior.

https://www.today.com/news/are-researchers-antarctica-thin-i...

A very small percentage of people will not behave unless they’re forced to behave, and held accountable when they don’t.

That doesn’t alleviate them of culpability, but it does mean that we cannot rely solely on individuals’ better judgement to keep people safe and healthy.

> the potential treatments become more numerous (and less onerous) than permanently isolating men and women

Providing single-sex living spaces and intimate facilities substantially reduces harassment and assault — we’ve known and successfully made use of that fact for a very long time.

  men just can't help themselves

Sexual harassment is wrong and should result in appropriate action. However, the absolute breathless hysterics—and frankly dishonesty—that result in these conversations fundamentally undermines the credibility of every single allegation that comes forward.

A man commits sexual harassment by making an advance while putting a hand on a woman's shoulder. It then gets exaggerated at every level: it's assault, then it's groping, then it's sexual assault, then he's a "rapist" and this is "dangerous" and and "act of violence."

When you unleash this tornado of hyperbole, you condition everyone who hears your message to assume that such allegations are always exaggerated and dishonest. And again, it's not just you personally: the OP surveys intentionally conflating "harassment or assault" are just as fundamentally insane.

This messaging tells every single person who might end up on one of my juries that they shouldn't believe a word out of the victim's mouth.

So yeah. I guess if you really care about holding people accountable, maybe try not intentionally sabotaging the attempts to do so.

ref: https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/Mentalics

Could be an easy mistake to make.

2. I don't think you understand human nature. Inventing sex for protection isn't a thing that I made up it's one of the foundational institutions of marriage and monogamous relationships throughout human civilization. You think a man will engage in a sexless relationship with a woman and offer her all the benefits of a relationship with no sex in return? No. The woman's best strategy is to pair up with a man and get protection if that's what she wants. Sex is part of the transaction. Woman have been doing this for eons what I suggest here is no different. Additionally you can't just remove men who have no control over their sexual urges. First off men hide the amount of control they have, so you won't know. Second off almost all men eventually take the risk if they're deprived long enough.

3. Like I said. Non ideal solution. But this works. And it has worked to pacify urges in places where there's a large amount of men.

4. And like I said the problem here is women don't want to go to Antarctica. It's men who are more willing to take the risk and go. Women tend to value more balanced choices while men are willing to go to extremes to satisfy particular objectives. So if you enforce this you'll restrict the population by a huge amount. Not to mention this is sexist gender policy designed to favor women.

5. You can't. Large numbers of men engage in this behavior. Most of it is harmless and of the nature of catcalling. You remove these men you'll remove over half the population. Also you can't prove these men did it. Second it's only a matter of time. All men have sexual urges and all of this becomes stronger the more they are deprived..

You seem to think that the population of men can be divided into two. Good men and bad men. Bro. Its more complicated then that. It's a gradient and different situations and circumstances can cause any man to shift on that gradient.

Also most of the men tough enough to go to Antarctica aren't exactly the types that are submissive.

If you want decency education is not the only thing required. Environment matters. You need food, you need resources. For men they need an outlet for sexual urges.

This is reality. If you a think foundation of decency is purely built on "education" then you need to see reality for what it truly is.

No. Humans have competing instincts that dictate behavior. It is a multivariate situation that is highly complex.

If I am starving, my survival and hunger instinct will take over. I will violate all my moral imperatives to fulfill that survival instinct.

In men, sexual instinct is strong. Not as strong as survival, but certainly way more stronger than women. It's so strong that it basically manifests itself as an urge. If you deprive men away from fulfilling these desires it becomes almost like hunger.

It's biology. Men are just built this way. It is what it is.

>We should force victims to accommodate the perpetrators amongst them and see if that helps.

No. The victims choose to put themselves in a dangerous environment. You cannot change the behavior of a starving man. The only real way to do it is to feed the man. I am offering the best solution should the woman choose to put her self in that position.

As a feminist you demand more. You demand the starving man to conduct himself in obedience to the law, to conduct his behavior according to morals and education. That is a view point that is not inline with reality. People have to eat. Sexual urges for men are not as strong as hunger, that is admittedly an exaggeration to help you understand. But I will say that sexual urges in men are extremely strong, so strong that the comparison is highly apt. You cannot hope to control it by going on a protest.

You have to realize feminism exists mainly because there are a lot of men who support the movement. Should all men on earth decide to be against feminism, the movement will die. A lot of these men support the movement because they have wives, daughters and girlfriends they care about. Single men can support feminism too, but they have a lot less incentive to do so. These single men make up a huge portion of the people in Antarctica.

>Many women don't even want hang out with rapists in Antarctica.

Then don't. You should understand male psychology and deal with the situation realistically rather then demand some unrealistic ideal be upheld.

Men built civilization, we built the law and societies that both genders live in. It is only within the last century that the concept of gender equality has come to fruition. But the biological reality of the difference between sexes is still very real and tradition of centuries of human society cannot be simply erased.

If we want true gender equality we have to attack it from a realistic angle. We have to acknowledge dark realities of both male (and female) behavior and achieve equality through true scientific understanding. The situation in Antarctica was just a time bomb waiting to happen. It's obvious.

This idea that we expect people to just behave according to some ideal when it that ideal goes against human nature and biology is crazy. It just won't work.

>Damn, and they say we feminists have a negative view of men.

That stereotypical view is familiar to everyone. Everyone recognizes an aspect of it as a sort of general truth. All men in general feel dark sexual urges and we all somewhat understand the desires behind why a man would choose to rape a woman. What isn't recognized among feminists (and society in general) is that women have a very dark aspect about them as well. But that's another topic.

>As an alternative to this take, we could hold violent criminals accountable without regard to gender or distance from the equator.

This is another problem with people. These random assumptions. I wasn't talking about accountability here. I was talking about solutions to solve the problem. Accountability is a different topic.

I'm not saying whether those harassers are right or wrong (I think they're wrong) I'm saying the steps that need to be done to solve the problem. You are relying on "accountability" to solve the problem as if that matters in Antarctica. They are cut off from contact from the rest of society. Woman can't go the traditional institutions that are normally there to assist them and ask for help.

You can try to rebuild those institutions in Antarctica, but realize those institutions will be made up of lonely single men because those are mostly the only people willing to go there. It's just reality.