The College Board website shares GPAs, SAT scores with TikTok and Facebook
gizmodo.com
gizmodo.com
I would rather fb get nothing, but as far as data sharing and ad tracking goes, this seems fairly standard. The only surprising part of this story is that they managed to find a stupid pr person who gave a bad quote
> only surprising part of this story is that they managed to find a stupid pr person who gave a bad quote
They did not do anything wrong and they don't do what the article implies. The response is 100% correct and when confronted with 'what about this' they explained it like the non issue it is.
Its HTTP GET parameters. Not for specific user but for filter range, that's it.
The article is prime example why people don't trust the news.
Your interactions with the site are visible through these third parties. The college crows that they're don't provide PII, but the whole point of tracking pixels is that those services already know precisely who you are. Facebook, Tiktok, et al have tracking pixels precisely because it allows them to farm more information to fill out the profile of a user.
Only the technically ignorant or dystopian don't see a profound issue with this.
But most people won't be doing that. For most people, it'll send their actual scores most of the time.
Saying that "they don't send your actual score" is the kind of sophistry that's technically correct but also wildly inaccurate in actual cases.
The argument that it's OK because it's not technically sending your actual score is so incredibly weaselly that I can only assume it's in bad faith.
There are 2 reasons they are doing that, they actually think it's valuable data for tracking, analytics & finding similar profiles on sociale media; and that makes the concern valid. Or they just didn't think about it, and send over as much data as possible
You can complain that the way the world works is broken & should be fixed, but you can't redefine words to make your argument.
We’re so heavily profiled they don’t even need to listen on the mic. And the feds don’t even need to spy on you, they can just buy the data of where you are and what you’re doing.
But it's not the US government and Five Eyes spying on you - it's a private corporation... What no one mentions is that these countries have very lucrative contracts with Reuters to maintain this database for their use.
The police also use it to find information on you if they feel they need to really get into your business. And companies use it to check that you're the "right fit" before hiring you. Banks use it before giving out loans to make sure you are who you say you are... I've even heard stories of some landlords using it to make sure their tenants are the "right kind of person".
If you want more info on tools like these, and how to thwart them, look up "The Privacy, Security, & OSINT Show" by Michael Bazzell.
Merely hoping for the information to not be collected and abused isn't enough anymore. It needs to not be exposed in the first place.
I seem to remember having to pick and choose where my scores went, maybe with a fee.
You pay CB when you want them to give your scores to others and attest for their accuracy.
The fact that they're advertising anything at all is just as concerning to me as the data they use to target those ads.
CB is bad, but advertising isn't why.
> After receiving this comment, Gizmodo shared a screenshot of the College Board sending GPAs and SAT scores to TikTok using a pixel. The spokesperson then acknowledged that the College Board’s website actually does share this data.
It would be comical if it weren't so dystopian.
Dystopian? It's literally just plain capitalism in regular reality. Why insist it's something imaginary?
this is actually a known problem in cognitive psych; the person writing did not sufficiently break up the parts. An incomplete thought chain or lazy thinking results in this kind of merged result all the time.
Buddhist psychology for one, has a lot to say about the nature of this kind of lack of clarity in general.
People just making shit up is also a known problem in cognitive psychology. Very interesting stuff.
> Nobody ascribed a cause to anything.
.... those two statements contradict directly... followed by scatology..
Maybe because plain capitalism in regular reality is pretty dystopian. Nothing imaginary about it.
It's like a search for "pregnancy symptoms" on Google—sure it doesn't specifically tell Google that you or someone close to you is pregnant, but you'll start seeing ads for baby stuff anyway because odds are you are.
If you’re a male, age 45, with kids, and you suddenly are looking for apartments and your porn habits change, you’re going to get more gambling ads. Companies use third party data to correlate outside activity to Google.
The government has used it to deter radicalization and to redirect people with opioid issues. You can compare online behaviors with say health insurance claims and lifestyle factors and score likelihood of events. Once that correlation is done, you can target ads to influence behavior.
Hacker News is the same way. HN does not send your HN handle information to any third party. That said, your posts and comments include certain metadata, including your HN handle and a link to account metadata as per the privacy policy. This data is public and may be accessed by third parties.
2. Why is sharing metadata with unknown arbitrary 3rd parties OK? Not all metadata is or should be public.
Even in the silly HN example, you can analyze referrer data and build profiles of people, without any cooperation on HNs part.
The spokesperson is either being fed false information or blatantly lying. At least someone in the organization is.
Instead they were abusing their position of trust to get students to enter the scores again themselves and sending that. Still not great, but not a lie on the spokesperson's part, just a misunderstanding of what was meant.
This is a case of the College Board negligently failing to recognize these fields as sensitive data, not a case of them outright lying. Still bad, obviously, but stupid rather than nefarious.
https://freedom-to-tinker.com/2018/04/09/four-cents-to-deano...
Or advertisers, to target the "least intelligent" with their campaigns. (Which I'm sure they already do by proxy.)
Facebook and TikTok already have the PII! And that's why it's bad for CB to share the data.
CB is evil, but in this particular case they're just being stupid not shady, and shady FB and TikTok benefit from it.
It's an absolute dumpster fire that can only be fixed with legislation as the web is just not designed to prevent tracking in any way. There is far too much security "surface area" for a workable technical solution without re-engineering the entire ecosystem.
That legislation is of course unlikely because political parties, think tanks, governments, and propagandists all want to gather as much information as possible for their own purposes.
Literally every single financial, political, and social incentive points toward maximization of surveillance everywhere. I feel like it's pretty hopeless without something very bad happening and causing a huge grassroots movement that can't easily be ignored.
(Later on you do get an actual certificate too.)
Others at least try to appear that they stop this stuff...
College Board is yet another parasite that sunk its teeth into the US government-educational complex to suck our blood.
https://www.therealcollegeboard.org/
One of the benefits of "test optional" colleges is that now they colleges can filter for students with enough guts to refuse to do business with these crooks.
I’m going to try this logic at the next sprint demo. “I didn’t code it this way, it’s just how it works…”
As long as Big Gov is buying this abuse will continue. Sure there will be staged events by Congress, etc. but it's not going to change.
Sure, but also worry about the government. First, the government has no more business knowing your personal details than any other organization. If they want info, that's what warrants are for.
Second, people tend to thing of the government as some sort of single entity. It's not. Government is made up of people: some good, some evil, most just trying to get through the day. There have been numerous examples of the evil types abusing access to personal data, for a variety of personal (usually illegal) purposes.
The worry of everyone else is an off-shoot of Big Gov's needs, not the other way around. We can worry about the symptoms or we can worry about the root problem. I favor the latter.
What activities is government monitoring using commercially-available data?
Exactly the point. We have no idea. No fucking clue.
And making that point gets down-voted? It's nice to know HN has so many Big Gov "influencers".