Helicopter Footage Reveals State Trooper Surveillance Capabilities
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* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettling
* https://www.vox.com/2020/6/6/21282509/george-floyd-protests-...
The police were so incredibly violent after that, they had total control and very little restraint. And there was local news or police media team ready to catch every act of desperation from the protestors. But very little of the state violence made it to the news. They were singling out people filming, smashing phones, arresting anyone nearby. I remember stumbling into a corner and falling to the street and seeing it already covered in blood and mucus and teeth, and thinking "that's more teeth than one person has in their head wtf happened here."
And then having to come on the internet every day since and hear about the "rioters" and looters and lawlessness and shit.
They do have horses though which are scary AF. Once you got a panicked horse playing rodeo with it's rider while chasing you through an alley, you know what immediate panic feels like.
Edit: I found horses worse than the crowd panic, breathing and eye issues after CS gas was released. And despite water cannons engaging is a very dramatic moment, I cannot imagine how it must feel when police give warning shots or even fire live ammo into the crowd (even you don't get hurt). Musst be a completely different level. Luckily I have never been in a situation on which police was even near such an escalation.
Source: a coworker was on the police force for 10 years in London.
The UK police forces literally invented rubber bullets, and used them very liberally, and lethally, against protestors in Northern Ireland [0]. Just because they go easy on some climate march you were at in London doesn't mean they never take it further.
[0] https://rubberbullets.longlead.com/chapter/rubber-bullet-his...
[0] https://cain.ulster.ac.uk/issues/violence/rubberplasticbulle...
So yes, suddenly being trapped inside and facing riot police can be scary. That's by design.
But when you know the details, you can say quite easily, if there is any real danger of violence, or not. Usually it isn't.
But violence can sometimes erupt spontaneously though, so be aware (and fast) if you are close. Also, if you are good with words and kettled in, usually you can convince the police that you are just a tourist passing through (don't ask those, who face the heat, go to the quiet corners and ask someone in charge who does not look stressed out, the low ranks won't let you through, if they have the order to block everyone and their superiors are watching, so rather ask those a little bit higher up, but not too high, or find someone who is not being watched)
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-poli...
Apart from that, why would they?
But I suppose you think, I must choose a side here?
Hell no. The common antifa that I got to know, is made up of hypocrite, messed up people as well and is often standing for left wing totalitarism.
To clarify, I am a antifashist, but the term antifa, stands for something different now.
Peaceful protests against nazis I will join. But those demos I talked about, were rather action events.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/quebec-police-admit-they-went...
The trick is to find the line where you cause people enough disruption to think about why you're without causing so much that they just immediately side against you, and it seems like most protests completely miss the mark.
What were all those "whites only" lunch counter sit-ins MLK did then? They sound like a textbook definition of "provoking the very people you are trying to convince", and yet.
While at a high enough level of disruption, the acts of protesters might harm public support of the cause, I think that level is probably pretty high and supporters will largely understand if they are temporarily inconvenienced, while some people who already oppose the protestor's cause will tend to use any inconvenience as a more socially acceptable excuse to justify their opposition instead of more honest reasons like plain old bigotry.
Pissing people off (too much) seems to be counter-productive and can prevent people with sympathizing/empathizing/joining you:
> For more than a century, from 1900 to 2006, campaigns of nonviolent resistance were more than twice as effective as their violent counterparts in achieving their stated goals. By attracting impressive support from citizens, whose activism takes the form of protests, boycotts, civil disobedience, and other forms of nonviolent noncooperation, these efforts help separate regimes from their main sources of power and produce remarkable results, even in Iran, Burma, the Philippines, and the Palestinian Territories.
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis...
Laws buttress/codify the current social order, and forbid shaking it up, in particular through disruptive protest. If the social order is racist, then these laws will be used to preserve racism. They're inherently repressive, not inherently racist.
If you're the government - you don't want to abandon them. If you're a social movement - you're against their existence (if you're more principled), or against their enforcement in your case (if you're more opportunistic).
That's a very convenient "if". I just declare social order is racist, so the laws no longer apply to me and any lawless action I take instead of being a crime becomes struggle against racism. Nice deal. Except the society that allows such deals can not survive. Of course, if you want to destroy the society - either because you genuinely think it's "racist" or because you just don't care - then you don't have a valid base for complaint when the society tries to defend itself and arrests you. You are literally destroying it, what else should it do?
- surely this does not work in all cases, only those where protestors are still convinced of the lawfulness of a peaceful protest, exploited by the threat actors (police)
- what is the maximum size of a "kettle?" can this be exploited by creating an oversized kettle such that it would "burst?"
- could kettling trigger a violent fight-or-flight response depending on demographic? many wild animals will exhibit ferocity when similar tactics are imposed.
- can you kettle a peaceful --yet fully armed-- protest? what are the benefits? risks?
- what is the economic impact to the city? minneapolis and other US locales have had to pay millions to settle unlawful detainment lawsuits during such events. is there a "break-even" point where kettles will be avoided for fear of inciting overwhelming expenditures? does the class/race makeup matter?
In the last 20 years who were the most eager to open fire in any situation?
If you wish people to accept or even join your movement, violence seems to be counter-productive:
> For more than a century, from 1900 to 2006, campaigns of nonviolent resistance were more than twice as effective as their violent counterparts in achieving their stated goals. By attracting impressive support from citizens, whose activism takes the form of protests, boycotts, civil disobedience, and other forms of nonviolent noncooperation, these efforts help separate regimes from their main sources of power and produce remarkable results, even in Iran, Burma, the Philippines, and the Palestinian Territories.
* https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10056014-why-civil-resis...
I'm guessing history has some anti-phalanx tactics that may be useful. My naive assumption is that well-organized protestors could choose one spot to focus on and try to break through using sheer numbers and momentum with some uh, ablation at the edges and tip of the spear. This comes with a very high risk of trampling. Veteran Black Bloc practitioners will likely have less naive countermeasures
The Hong Kong protesters are the ones who developed the best tactics.
I have never heard of a 2nd Amendment protest (where most protesters show up armed) being kettled.
Make of that what you will.
I'm all for civil disobedience but at least if I'm not mistaken, when Dr. King organized so many marches and sit-ins he guided his followers to peacefully allow themselves to be arrested -- overflowing the jails and courts was an intentional part of the civil disobedience. He himself was arrested many times. That peaceful action made media coverage of events like the police violence in Selma, Alabama more impactful than they would be otherwise. I grew up in a "violent leftist" city, which was a major hub for the Weathermen and various bombings of law enforcement buildings during the era of "Days of Rage", but the general advice for attending protests/marches in the early 2000's was "bring a check in your pocket to fill out for bail", not "run away from the police and attempt to avoid getting arrested" or "attack the police and burn down the police stations".
I could be upset about Hersheys and choose to organize mass theft of their candy bars from the grocery store as a protest, and that would be speech. But it doesn't shield me from the consequences of the crime of theft, nor does it mean that "candy is more important than the first amendment".
This is covered in the article. Part of the program, after 'boxing in' the protesters, is to indiscriminately arrest everyone regardless of any crimes committed. Charges will be handed off later.
This is a distant relative of the 'I've got nothing to hide' argument in favor of surveillance. In effect, it looks like just being there is enough to get arrested - and this is ignoring the fact that you may actually try to defend yourself when being pushed and prevented from leaving by armed police, maybe while breathing in some tear gas or pepper spray. You may even consider that the goal of the whole operation is to stir up violence, so that everyone has a reason to be arrested...
Protest is as sophisticated a conflict as anything else, and tactics are not static but constantly changing on both sides. It's important to keep that in mind, and that also that king's own tactics were considered polarizing and unhelpful by the white mainstream of his time. Only in retrospect do we consider them noble and effective for his cause, but that doesn't mean they necessarily will be effective for other causes, against other tactics.
A large amount changes to policing and police policy has been in direct response to the civil rights movement in the abstract. EG not about its goals and consequences per se, but how to preempt, discredit, and disperse public movements so that nothing of its size and power can emerge again, regardless of the motivating cause.
Apathy is a powerful tool.
Tap water is just pus, then you have the high levels of chemicals in them. The best water you can drink is deionised water, the stuff used for vehicle batteries and steam irons, and then add in the best chemicals to top up your mineral content.
Chlorides are better than other forms like gluconate or sulphates which become sulfuric acid when exposed to the hydrochloric acid in the gastric juices, which then destroys tissues in the body oh so slowly.
Iron chloride for example generates the least amount of reactive oxygen species, and is also the most labile, able to switch between state more easily than other iron supplements. Its the best form of iron you can get, show me a supplement that uses it!
Chlorides also work better in the most acidic parts of the body.
I really do question the medical experts, legislators and food industry.
So if you know what chemicals will do what in the body, through the diet, you can alter the personality's and health of the population. One way to do that is through food legislation. Global manufacturers can also play their part as well.
"Oh it's just some pig doing it, not the real protestors" is such an intellectually lazy response and most of the time it's false anyway. If you want to have a peaceful protest I will be the first one to support it whether I agree with the end goal or not. But the people running these things have an obligation to see that they remain peaceful.
Police forces use unconstitutional and unlawful force all the time. Should we disband the police every time that happens? Should we force all police to leave the area in the first instance of that happening?
See, I class that as a DDoS on a protest if you're going to cut carte blanche for law enforcement to play agent provocateur though. They should be passive and uninvolved in en trying to coerce a resolution, or we should accept that a kettled protest gains legitimacy, and by extension, justified use of violence if it's the police who push it over the edge. It's like Union-Busting, and the recent NLRB ruling. If LE has to start pulling dirty tricks, then maybe the protesters had a point.
This was less for the protesters convenience as it was all about not making the officers on the ground deal with that level of pain in the ass logistics. They were told to search all belongings, but unless anything was found to just tag the bag and send them on to I'm guessing booking. During booking in a much more controlled environment, they could take their time and do the normal processing of personal items. It's a triaging decision, not a polite to the protestors decisions
"Authorities ended up arresting and charging then-19-year-old college student, Amina McCaskill. Prosecutors charged her with felony, second-degree riot armed with a dangerous weapon, the weapon being the laser."
Yes? A laser can damage eyes and blind people. If shined into a heli it is VERY dangerous.
Agreed that the laser user should face stiff penalties. Federal ones. You want to protest violently, that’s one thing. You want to endanger people who just happen to live within a mile of you by blinding pilots? That should hurt a lot more than spending a night or two in jail.
I agree with you that the person shining lasers into helicopters and blinding pilots causing potential permanent eye damage should face stiffer penalties.
Also, won't you be super easy to track? Doubtful you could get enough people wearing these to be any more effective than ID'ing yourself
The first amendment is quite clear about it
> Congress shall make no law ... abridging ... the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
- creating a risk someone will hit you and be injured/killed/traumatized or even start a pile-up
In Seattle the George Floyd protests let emergency vehicles and even city busses through frequently
Pedestrians do not belong on the highway, ever.
If I set up a "protest" tent in the middle of your driveway, not letting you exit the house, would you say it's a constitutionally protected activity or would you call the police on me, claiming property rights and trespassing violation?
corrections welcome
Also keep in mind, these are helos, meant to hover in close proximity to things, which generally requires good visibility, often surrounding the instrument panel.
Furthermore, unlime most aircraft, helos are dynamically unstable. Think of it like balancing a spinning plate. If they get the tiniest bit off kilter, they continue gettting more and more off-kilter unless actively corrected.
A fixed wing aircraft could potentially nose up and safely fly on until vision returned, but a helo requires active management by the pilot to do the same, which requires vision. Helo people are fond of a saying that "planes want to fly, helos beat the air until it complies".
In short "just don't look at it" isn't as effective a countermeasure as you'd like to believe.
A <1mw pointer is fairly safe all around. Some $15 ebay lasers have real risk of temp retina damage at arms length. Lasers in the $150-$400 dollar range can do real damage fast under 30'.
Much more powerful Chinese military dazzlers are intended to incapacitate (not blind) at hundreds of yards.
>If shined into a heli it is VERY dangerous.
True. Aircraft are very vulnerable. Fifteen dollar ebay lasers are an absolute menace to night vision at hundreds of yards.
Even at way lower output power you will damage your eyes by just looking at the dot on a wall. Use it indoors and all it takes is one unlucky reflection on a shiny object and you will wake up to a detached retina the next morning.
I'm shocked how terrible quality the audio comms are.
Could anyone with infrared camera experience weigh in?
They're remarkably good at not letting point sources blow out the image. That's a very important performance parameter, since often you're not concerned with the hottest point, but the parts immediately adjacent, so you can see how heat is flowing through the device being inspected. A lot of investment and IP goes into this -- since the hot spot _will_ heat the imaging array, and on older imagers it would cause streaking if moved, modern ones do extensive thermal modeling of the array itself to try to cancel out this effect, all baked into FPGAs so it can be done in real-time. They're very good at it.
A very naïve implementation may have auto-scaling for the color palette, in which case a hot-spot would skew the palette and make cooler stuff hard to distinguish, but that would be a total amateur mistake. Setting the palette to highlight human skin temperature is like step 1 of any such operation.
Insulated umbrellas, or just big aluminized-mylar space-blankets, would definitely play havoc with the image. An AI people-counter trained on the image would probably lose its marbles, but a human looking at it would quickly understand what's going on and make some educated guesses. It's very hard to hide your thermal signature for very long, which is why thermal imaging is so important in warfighting.
I have a hard time visualizing what this would mean figuratively, so now I kind of wonder if you meant this literally.
In the linked bodycam video, the MPD officers involved banter about 'needing to spit' when the community engagement officer goes by, and also appear to be partaking in a game where anyone who actually says the officer's name (Dubuc) is subject to mock punishment.
Honestly it's pretty juvenile. It's possible that this is part of a healthy culture somehow (like, I can jump through enough mental hoops to make that happen), but it's almost certainly not part of healthy culture.
By watching the bluer bits of the image, you can see that it seems that the camera was very quickly (almost immediately it seems?) centred on the cliffs to the bottom right, then recentred a few frames later but at an angle (probably rotated around 10 degrees anticlockwise). The next few frames are the actual explosion, where the offset angle seems to remain consistent, and then, interestingly, the HUD is almost perfectly recentered at 0 where it remains consistently
Through 19s, again the person recording this from the screen seems to either zoom or move the camera very quickly towards the screen, before immediately resetting.
It's clear that this weirdness is being introduced by the person recording the video (not from the drone itself) because the HUD also moves and blurs (you can see what it looks like when the drone camera pans throughout second 23/24. Note the HUD remaining static and clear).
Second 26 is also interesting, because you can see static bright spots suddenly seem to begin moving. However, I think this is actually a rotating lens cover on the drone camera which is introducing these artifacts. You can also see that immediately after this, the HUD display is different. A different number (I believe it's 80, based on a frame at 37s) is displayed, and the centre of the HUD is a crosshair rather than a small circle. I believe this new lens is slightly shorter, and is supposed to give a wider view of the explosion that just happened.
If you advance slowly through second 37-38, you see the camera 'zoom out' from 80 to 402, and it seems both the drone and the person filming this's cameras needed to recalibrate their exposure settings.
It's not quite enough for me to say it's definitely suspicious, but those movements at the 18-19s mark are definitely a bit odd. It could potentially be artifacts of YouTube automatically stabilising the video, but there's definitely something unnatural here.
They could argue it, sure. But if that's their only argument they would almost certainly lose because judges and jurors understand the concept of object permanence.
Lose sight for ten minutes with not enough detail to verify whether it's the same person? Reasonable. Hide behind a car for 30 seconds, with footage showing no one else coming or going? Good luck convincing anyone that it was the other guy hiding behind that car.
Surveillance continues to improve as number of unsolved (and uninvestigated) crimes goes up. Coincidence?
More likely, decreased policing in the more dangerous neighborhoods has let to more unsolved crimes.
That said, I loathe the police in my area because they basically don't do anything. Dangerous drivers and motorcycles are more common than ever, my neighbor in a nice neighborhood was car jacked at gun point and police were annoyed she called.
The worst example was police taking 2hrs to show up after a friend was hit by a drunk driver... by the time they bratholized the drunk driver she was already under the limit.
For me, I'm far more worried about license plate scanners on police cruisers than FLIRs on helicopters (they've had this tech since 2006).
Just joking. That would be irresponsible. That kind of thing doesn't happen until the crowd's missed a day or two of its meals. Or had a few relatives murdered.
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