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It's confirmed: Matter is merely vacuum fluctuations

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Recommmended reading: Feynman's classic QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter.

http://www.amazon.com/QED-Strange-Theory-Light-Matter/dp/069...

If you don't really understand what this article is talking about, Feynman can help you.

The Higgs field creates mass out of the quantum vacuum too, in the form of virtual Higgs bosons. So if the LHC confirms that the Higgs exists, it will mean all reality is virtual.

Oh god. This is what I get for reading new scientist...

Sometimes I wonder how much of quantum mechanics' notorious difficulty is that it is truly hard to understand, and how much is simply that it is hard to understand in English.

People hear "virtual particle" and have no clue what that means and associate it with other "virtual" things. Or, more directly connected to the title of this story, hear that matter is "merely" "vacuum fluctuations", which, thanks in no small part to Star Trek, we think has connotations of instability or transientness.

No. Matter is matter. Matter is stable on a cosmological scale, and no amount of fiddling with English words shall add or remove one iota of stability. Matter may consist of vacuum fluctuations (where you probably know neither what is meant by vacuum nor what is meant by fluctuations), matter may consist of the infinite love of fuzzy puppies, matter may be divine farting, but matter is matter, it is what it is, and there is nothing more or less "real" about it today than there was yesterday.

I hate the pattern of:

1. In your ignorance, define X as Y. (Example: "My soul is a material thing that houses my consciousness and leaves my body when I die.")

2. Find out Y isn't real. ("We have weighed the body between life and death, and the mass is the same. Y does not exist.")

3. Declare that X isn't real. Usually with a whole lot of "aHA! Got you!" thrown in for good measure. ("Therefore, nothing like the soul exists and you religious people are morons for believing in anything supernatural!" If you can't see the logical flaw in that argument, look harder...)

We get this pattern in crappy articles about QM all the time. Consciousness too.

Not to turn this into a religious/philosophical argument, but I've yet to hear a good definition for the soul that's congruous with the symptoms of brain damage. I'd appreciate any insights you have, though.

Soul is "like" radio waves, brain is "like" radio, consciousness is "like" radio program. Damage to radio results in garbled signal.

Note: I'm not saying I believe the definition or that it is complete, and I'm certainly not going to defend it, but maybe worth thinking about.

I hesitated to give an example precisely because I didn't want to get into that topic, but it was just too vague without it, and trying to find something innocuous was just too hard.

Similarly how walking is what the feet does, conscience is what the brain does.

Well, there still is an unspecific and vague line between 'quantum' and 'classical' objects, entanglement is hard to understand and there isn't even a metric for more than simplest cases, and quantum systems appear to evolve in ways which classical computers cannot (it is believed) even approximate quickly enough. So it's likely that there's some fundamental complexity there...

This pattern is called a Sylogism. Everybody hates sylogisms as it's mostly used to manipulate.

1) Syllogisms are mostly used for manipulation 2) Everyone hates manipulation .`.) Everyone hates syllogisms.

...nope, doesn't work for me.

Ok you got me ! :)

I was getting at something more specific than just a logical fallacy, but specifically the part where you sanctimoniously declare "aHA! It isn't real!" It is true that is a special case of a more general logical fallacy, but I see this specific one pop up a lot, reifying ignorance, then declaring it false as if that actually proves something.

Eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylogism

I refuse to believe in anything written by someone who is mostly vacuum.

Is it just me or there is really something amiss with this article?

Physicists have now confirmed that the apparently substantial stuff is actually no more than fluctuations in the quantum vacuum.

So, if they have NOW confirmed this, why didn't the article cite the work that confirmed this? Also the article didn't mention anything on who confirmed and how. It talks about some computer simulations and concludes:

Although physicists expected theory to match experiment eventually, it is an important landmark.

Since when did physicists start considering computer simulations as experimental evidence?

Our research group has had experimental papers rejected because they did not agree with first principles simulations. The issue is that at least in quantum chemistry and materials physics, the theory is simple and easy to write down but making quantitative predictions from the theory requires the use of (a) massive computational resources, (b) inspired approximations, or (c) all of the above. (unless it's an "emergent" phenomenon) It's debatable what the relationship between theory, experiment and computation is. I submitted an abstract to an APS conference yesterday and I noticed that you were asked to classify your submission as "theoretical", "experimental", or "computational". I think I agree with the APS in that all three styles are useful and complementary to each other.

Hmm, I do see your point, to me, the article is about why the theory has been so difficult to prove.

the article is about why the theory has been so difficult to prove.

You mean the theoretical proof?

The computational resources required to crunch the numbers.

Pfft. Vacuum is just matter, without the fluctuations.

I'm not sure we have the same definitions of 'confirmed'.

Interesting Read. Though I have read that some equatins regarding sub atomic particles were "too difficult to solve" before, I never had read a good explanation why.

It will be a sad day when the supercomputers we build to solve these equations gain intelligence and use their knowledge against us. Maybe they'll invent some cool null ray.

> Though I have read that some equatins regarding sub atomic particles were "too difficult to solve" before, I never had read a good explanation why.

Solution to the equations of quantum field theory can be formally expressed using what's called a perturbation expansion. This is similar to using a power series expansion to solve an algebraic or differential equation. In a rough way of looking at things, higher order terms in the expansion correspond to particle interactions with more "stuff" involved. This equivalence is what Feynman diagrams represent.

In the case of electromagnetism, this technique is very effective. The term corresponding to a single photon exchange is 137 times larger than the term corresponding to two photons, and so on. As a result, perturbation theory works very well for these calculations.

However, for nuclear forces in a proton or neutron, all the terms are about the same size. You can't cut off the expansion and get a meaningful estimate. In the Feynman diagram view, this is saying that you can't think of it as just exchanges of small numbers of gluons, rather, you'd need to consider huge number of particles and diagrams of extreme complexity. This is the sense in which the equations are "too difficult to solve". You need to do something totally different from perturbation theory to get a solution. Lattice computations, as described in the article, are the best alternative technique we have available at this point.

" So if the LHC confirms that the Higgs exists, it will mean all reality is virtual."

Headline should be "It's nearly confirmed" as the LHC has not done this yet.

It's confirmed: Science Writing is merely vacuity fluctuations

... "Here's Tom with the weather."

This article is grotesquely misleading. It misuses the word "virtual". Virtual reality meaning a simulation hasn't a thing to do with virtual particles in quantum field theory. In this case, the strength of the strong nuclear force field in a given point affects the probability amplitude of finding a gluon at that given point, which, in turn, will affect the mass of the area surrounding that point. In the case of the 3 quark proton, the strong nuclear force field has a high strength in the vicinity of the three quarks, therefore, the probability of finding gluons here is higher than outside the 3-quark bounded configuration. Since energy is equivalent to mass, that means the 3-quark bounded configuration will get a higher mass value than the surrounding vacuum, because of the higher prevalence of the strong nuclear force-field carrying gluons within it. This is ordinary, well understood, quantum chromodynamics, similar to quantum electrodynamics. There is nothing "virtual" about it in the sense of "less than real". A particle may be said to be "virtual" if is is transient (acts over a short distance or timespan). However its effects are as real as it gets. At the end of day, quantum field theory comes to down calculating probability amplitudes, in this case, the probability of finding gluons in the 3-quark configuration. There isn't anything "virtual" or "magical" or "hocus pocus" about it. And if somebody thinks there is, they shouldn't be writing for a science magazine.

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