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This arguments keeps popping up, but yes, it's not good when another country does it. You've got no say in it, and it can only be used for nefarious purposes. You've got no idea what your own government is using that info for, but you can be sure that the CCP is not going to prevent terrorism in your country.

You also can't vote Xi out of office, can you? You can however vote the politicians that are responsible for domestic spying out of office, or try to press them into being transparent and implementing proper legislation through various means.

Don't pretend the two are equal. The only thing equal between them is that you don't like either.

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The US intelligence community is responsible for more terrorism within America than any it may have prevented.

You can't get rid of them through voting, the next president will just install another stooge and the cycle will continue.

The FBI spied on Trump's campaign, he "cleaned house", Christopher Wray is just as bad as James Comey. It can't be fixed. Merrick Garland is just as bad as Bill Barr. It needs to be abolished.

It's a sick fact for both points.

Also remember that Barr was first working for Central Intelligence and then became the US Attorney General. If that wasn't so sick I could at least laugh.

So your argument is: FBI bad, so the Chinese government should be allowed to spy. Ok then.

No. Neither should be allowed, and there is way too much apologism for domestic mass surveillance when you are more likely to be unjustifiably screwed 8 ways from Sunday from your own law enforcement agencies than from the Chinese ones. And America should ABSOLUTELY not be asking the CCP to do surveillance on their behalf, as if this point even needs to be said.

The government asking someone else outside of the jurisdiction of the Fourth Amendment to violate American citizens rights on their behalf is still a violation even if the government technically doesn't directly do it.

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