I didn't say it directly, but thanks for the article!

My question is probably more asking exactly how/why the visual representation helps. I am very open to the idea that they do. But I'm also open to the idea that it is the active interaction with others that is the important part. That it is done with text or with drawings feels secondary. Almost distantly.

Your point about the really high level views of 1 and 2 in the levels feels notable. I also really resonate with the idea of identifying the deployable "things" that can be independently reasoned about. If you have a team that is pushing libraries between the two things, you then have to expand this discussion to the build and deploy systems as being integral to your team, not merely secondary considerations.