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But then they complain they had to manually type an import statement ... before going back to their opinionating on how bad IDEs are.

I find the whole notion of software engineers rejecting software applications being useful as a concept while it being the primary focus of their own profession quite fascinating.

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If a developer does not want to try this framework because an IDE does not yet support a particular version of java, then the situation has gone beyond an IDE being just useful.

Personally I use various IDEs, light weight IDE/Editors and even vi/vim depending on the language & situation.

Think of it this way:

If I asked my team to develop a project/POC with this framework and they came back to me saying that they have to wait for (or prefer to wait for, or whatever) jet brains to add java 21 support to do this, I would not be very happy.

So you're saying that you are unhappy that Jetbrains doesn't officially support JDK21 yet? Cool story bro. It's a tool preference. Same deal with any other language. Nothing is preventing your developers writing code for JDK21 today, even with the Jetbrains IDE. You can write and compile JDK21 projects and ignore any related highlighted syntax/semantic errors.

Good job on distorting my comments. Hopefully the developer who made the original comment will read your recommendations and will decide to give this framework a try.

I'm saying your comments basically boiled down to that. You are unhappy that developers might prefer a tool that doesn't officially support newer features of a language, even though it doesn't really prevent them developing with the new features using the same or different IDE or a text editor or whatever. Same deal with C# or C++ and every other language supported by IDE's, hence C.S.B. This is an issue with programming in general, not Java specific.

JDK21 hasn't even hit general availability yet according to its own schedule [0]. It seems a little impatient to get upset that tooling isn't 100% there before it's even released. Naturally tool vendors aren't going to release their official support until they can test against the final version. This indeed is part of the maturity people do like about the Java ecosystem.

[0] https://openjdk.org/projects/jdk/21/

There are some weirdly hair-shirt beliefs about development practices in this industry.

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