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I am sorry, but why do people still buy teslas?

The current trend in BEV's show that most of the manufacturers are moving to the same systems of control and subject to the same problems.

It is not a Telsa problem, it is a industry problem. We had to pass the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act to prevent the Automotive companies from abusing customers in the 70's

Looks like we will need to update that, through out history Automotive companies have been some of the most abusive companies to work for, to work with (as a vendor) and to buy from as a customer.

Well with a Tesla you have to have remote control over the internet because they didn't have any money to put physical controls in :)

I'm surprised there's even a steering wheel.

Musk is trying his hardest to eliminate the steering wheel too. He has been promising that full self driving is just around the corner for half a decade now. The newest version (still in testing) basically threw away nearly all of the work and replaced it with an machine trained model, because we all know how easy it is to debug problems with ML models.

They had a head-start on the tech, and for quite a while that meant the hype had some reality backing it.

Also, Musk wasn't quite so obviously pungent a few years ago.

Did they have a head start on the tech, really? To me it seems like all they did well was the branding.

Yes, Tesla were way ahead of the curve. Only BYD came close.

Back in the day Steve Jobs was a complete asshole, too. Doesn't make it right, and both of them would have done better if they hadn't been. But you can be a complete jerk and still move products. They just have to be good products.

I don't think you can compare the degree of vileness between Musk and Jobs. They both were notorious for abusing employees, and living in reality bubbles (except one company's value is real and the others is over-inflated stock price). The stories of jobs were focused on him demanding perfection, versus Musk rage-firing people on a whim. Musk wins the race to the bottom by orders of magnitude. Ex.: Twitter existed when Jobs was around and Jobs never turned into an cringey right-wing edgelord that stoked cultural divisions by aiding and amplifying the message of the worst people in society.

On the other hand, Jobs would buy a new Mercedes every week just so he could park on the handicap spot closest to the entrance of the Apple office building. Not sure which is worse.

Here is some investigation into that: https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/heres-truly-surprising-re...

Not that I'm a Jobs fanboy, he's still a toxic shit messiah-complex execution-genius (all can be true), but don't just hyperbolize because it fits your narrative. Like the overblown story about Musk's emerald mine. This is the same thing: a Jobs/Musk hater pushing a heavily modified version of a decades-old story told by a third party, but based on a grain of truth.

I've known rich people who love getting stuff for free even though they have money falling out their ass. It's a disease.

I don't understand your point here. It is well documented that Steve Jobs would frequently park in handicap spots, generally considered a dick move.

https://www.cultofmac.com/2613/steve-jobs-still-parking-in-h...

Whether he got a new car every week or 6 months or whatever because he preferred to drive one without a license plate for aesthetic reasons(and not so he could park in a handicap spot) is irrelevant.

Do you always respond this way when someone calls out your whataboutism and exaggerations?

He called the rescue diver guy a pedophile over 5 years ago. Time flies.

There’s only a handful of EVs that currently qualify for the $7500 federal tax credit now that the rules for it have changed - Tesla being one of them. In California you also get an extra $2000 credit for Teslas as well. So there’s some incentive there right now to buy one at nearly $10k off.

I don’t like Elon, but it’s the best value for money EV, period.

Exactly, it’s the perfect EV for the less affluent!

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