Dude,Where's My Donations? Wikimedia gives another $1M to non-Wikimedia projects
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> As of December 31, 2021, the Endowment held $105.4 million. There is currently $99.33 million in the investment account and $6.07 million in cash. An additional $8 million raised in December will be transferred to the Endowment in January 2022.
Damn. Regardless of their questionable politically-motivated donations, I feel like they're being disingenuous when they plaster the "PLEASE DON'T IGNORE THIS" donation banners all over Wikipedia. Seems like they have tons and tons of cash.
It’s the equivalent of individual people who never feel financially secure, even with millions in the bank.
I'm not the judge of who "actually needs" money, but surely there are tons of people in the world (maybe in my neighborhood) who are struggling and would be helped by having some of my money. None of those people are asking me for change on the street or sending me donation letters. Disjoint sets.
Tons and tons of astroturfing & bias with articles.
There’s obviously tons of politicial bias but there’s also lots of individuals writing their own bias as a “uninterested third party” when in reality they’re emphasizing the narrative most favorable to them.
You see it a ton with wikipedia pages of entrepreneurs, journalists & obviously politicians.
and 3 letter agencies. Whenever a subject is a bit sensitive, you can feel their influence.
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
I'm just gonna stop going down this rabbit hole before it depresses me even more.
Who knows? Is there any good investigative breakdown of exactly what Wikimedia Foundation spends most of its income on? Does it have a huge admin parasitical attachment sucking the money away? I'm not accusing, just wondering myself. Perhaps someone knows about this.
How do you square that with this comment (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37180736) that says only they only spend "2% on actual hosting costs."
100% of the work of actually maintaining Wikipedia is is done by unpaid volunteers, and much of the tooling they use also appears to be developed on a volunteer basis.
https://wikimediafoundation.org/about/annualreport/2021-annu...
Some quick highlights: of their >$150M of usable donations, they spent about 57% of it on "salaries," 10% of it on "awards and grants," 4% of it just on processing donations, and a measly 2% on actual hosting costs.
[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/2/26/Wikim...
Wikimedia foundation has cancer [1]. They've provided a huge value and reaped big rewards, but now they have built to grow, and the growth engine just keeps wanting to grow.
[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has....
This needs to be taken with the thought that not all projects necessarily end up good.
For most companies the main expenditure is HR, that's normal and certainly expected for an org focused mainly on knowledge and information.
That's a good sign, isn't it? It means they are efficient and don't waste their budget on overpriced cloud services.
I'd be more pissed if a significant junk of the donations went straight to AWS.
Just keep in mind, when you don't use AWS, lots of costs that would normally be hosting costs become salary costs instead (the data center doesn't set itself up)
Wikipedia, it's purpose and intent is...
"to create and distribute a free encyclopedia of the highest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language,' that's who I am. That's what I am doing. That's my life goal." - Jimmy Wales, 2008
The grants work to serve that goal. Of ensuring that everyone has access to that information and can use it.
So, my question is simple, if they didn't send the money to these organizations, but instead, used it instead to improve only, let's say, the machines it's hosted on, but you and whatever country you were in couldn't access it, would you still give them money? Wikipedia still exists for everyone else, but you and your fellow countrymen can't access it.
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Prime_objective
There is nothing wrong with "matching racial justice leaders with machine learning research engineers to develop data-based machine learning applications", but that work is clearly not required to "create and distribute a free encyclopedia".
Trust broken. I'm out forever.
https://help.archive.org/help/category/donations-2/donating-...
They spend $145m/year and raise about $155m/year, so they're basically spending everything they get.
Even if you ignore the fact that size matters, 93% isn't basically everything either.
Wikipedia has been one of the most beautiful creations of the Internet and they continue to be trustworthy. I don't really see anything worthy of bad faith assumptions about Wikipedia's $70K donation Filipino American National Historical Society. Seriously people find better causes. Protest real issues.
I make donations to many different charities, but I do my own due diligence, in particular how much money actually goes to the cause in question, rather gets used to pay an expensive C-suite.
Signpost: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...
Hacker News: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36029115
And for a laugh, see the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/04/style/katherine-maher-ash...
"The couple traveled around the world in early 2022 and moved to New York that June. ... On July 22, Erica Kochi, a friend of the couple who became a one-day deputy marriage commissioner in San Francisco, officiated the wedding before 140 guests on the lawn of Willow Camp in Stinson Beach, Calif. The day before, the groom rode in on a white horse for a Hindu ceremony.
“It was two days of cross-cultural celebration and community,” Ms. Maher said, “and a really big dance party.”"
I guess the donations helped pay for that as well.
I won't go into discussing the photos of sad looking Jimmy Wales that pop up in my inbox twice a year: you have probably read plenty on this topic already. The only argument I have is I donate money to sustain the project I value, not the Filipino American National Historical Society. I would, perhaps, donate to this Society directly, but don't make this decision for me. It feels deceptive.
That would have been upright and trustworthy, if a bit annoying. Finding out that they are re-donating my donations irks me. I don't like it. I like the stated missions statements of the charities they donated to, but I don't know anything about them. Are they good charities? What were the grants used for? Who's going to put the effort in to let me know that this wasn't a greedy soulless con job and some of the money I spent to protect a huge trove of human knowledge actually went to some greedy dickhead in Brazil and there's not a dang thing I can do about it?
I'm not donating to Wikipedia & co again until those questions are answered, and I'm not putting any more effort into finding the answer than spitting this rant out.
There's too much shifty questionable things going on to blindly trust any longer.
Eg, if they donate to MariaDB because they use the database, or to the EFF because they offered legal assistance, that makes perfect sense to me.
But donating to an organization that doesn't directly benefit Wikipedia in any way, that's where I'm much more doubtful. I'd much prefer they just advertised them in some way instead, like during their donation drives.
The biggest donation is going to a charity managing an archive. A place that has important documents that can be cited by, oh I don't know, an encyclopedia maybe?
It is the layman's understanding that donations to Wikipedia are directly for the operations of this obviously great resource.
If they had a separate foundation for data gathering and social justice, or if they said in their pledge drives "5% of your donation will be redistributed to causes for equity in journalism and encyclopedic knowledge" this wouldn't be a story.
It doesn't strike me as coincidental that people are complaining about money going to be people who aren't considered white.
These non profits have missions that go beyond their most visible projects. This is almost always the case with any non profit. It's not called "the Wikipedia server foundation" or "the Firefox browser foundation" for a reason.
Keeping Wikipedia alive isn't difficult on the tech side. Like, the software needs a bit of maintenance and the occasional rebrush, but that's it.
The problem is the community. Wikipedia's survival depends on editors and administrators, both of which are in short supply - which has been an issue for way too long. I remember it from back when I was still at school, so way over a decade ago, that there was a huge issue with the Croatian Wikipedia basically having been taken over by far-right nationalist ideology on everything related to history, and other Balkan Wikipedias suffering from the same fate of nationalism, not made easier by people argumenting that there shouldn't be a distinct Wikipedia as it is a widespread belief that Croatian and Serbian are the same language - but no Croat will ever learn to read and write Cyrillic unless he has to (vice versa is a bit better because most Serbs will learn English and with it the Latin alphabet).
Therefore, Wikimedia has no alternative but to (massively) invest in outreach, because the less active editors there are the higher the chance of entire communities being lost to ethnic squabbles or plain fraud (IIRC there used to be a case of someone making up entire articles in a faked Germanic? dialect).
[1]: https://slate.com/technology/2020/09/scots-wikipedia-languag...
Regular announcements of specific grants: https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2023/04/13/first-grants...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_W...
But don't take donations for a service and then use them for a charity: that's lying to donors.
The money you donate is not going to support Wikipedia as you know it. The people writing the wikipedia articles you read will not see a cent of the money you donate, as Wikipedia is a crowd-sourced community effort by volunteers. The server costs, the techie employees hired to manage the servers, develop the wiki software, mobile applications, etc, are less than 3% of their current expenses.
Your donations are going to Big Nonprofit, a type of industry that attaches itself to any community it can get its hands on, and then focuses on 2 goals only: 1) survive at all costs, and 2) grow forever. There will never be a day where Big Nonprofit will say "we have enough money". Or "mission accomplished, we can close this department". Never.
Big Nonprofit attaches itself to a host (core mission, core product, community, whatever you want to call it), and slowly takes it over, while still presenting as the original host. It uses deception, and intentional blurring of the line between host and parasite, to use people's support of the host to the benefit of the parasite. More and more responsibilities are put under the rug of the initial mission goals, and these responsibilities grow to infinity.
And one day, if/when money gets tight, what do you think happens? Will Big Nonprofit trim its fat a little bit? Laughable! No, the host is sacrificed so the parasite can live. This is how companies like Mozilla end up sacking actual engineers like the Rust team, while still keeping hundreds of non-techie trustfund kids doing "activism" from lavish Bay Area offices.
You cannot get around this. Maybe you wisened up, saw the blurred lines, and figured "I'll just donate directly to the project I support". You cannot donate directly to Wikipedia the website, or to Firefox the web browser, or to Rust (when it was a Mozilla project). Big Nonprofit made sure to cut off those avenues for you. Your money can only be spent the way Big Nonprofit wants, i.e. on itself.
Here's (https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2021/09/08/wikimedia-fo...) where your donations end up going. Regardless of whether you support these groups or not (I think they're race grifters), they have nothing to do with Wikipedia, encyclopedias, or even off-topic-but-still-sorta-relevant goals like wanting more poor people to use Wikipedia. You'll notice one thing they all have in common: they have no truly measurable metrics for success. Because Big Nonprofit can't grow if the question "what benefits are we getting by spending donation money this way?" can be answered. Bezos and Musk could gift them their entire fortunes overnight, and the only change at the end of the year will be more Big Nonprofit employees hired, and more fund-raisers campaigns.
You can see some people who raised the issue of where all this money is going here (https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@list...), including mysterious multi-million donations to outside nonprofits, a huge ballooning in operating expenses, etc. The people raising these issues are rebuked by Wikimedia employees whose signatures and blogs show they spend a lot of time at various conferences around the world and virtue signaling for diversity. I wouldn't want my gravy train of free trips to Bangkok to end either.
It's a great grift, though.
How can you possibly be against any of those causes? Don't look behind the curtain to see how we're actually using the money you give us.
When not one, but two, effective vaccines against polio appeared, did the March of Dimes throw a big celebratory party and wrap up its operations?
It did not.
- https://supporters.eff.org/donate/
- or some open source project you use maybe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Prime_objective
So, when people talk about Wikipedia being completely funded and not needing more money, they are lying. Flat out lying. Rather, they are saying "Wikipedia has enough money to serve me, everyone else doesn't matter."
Wikipedia's goals (which have been well-published and posted for a long, long time now) aren't just about a website. It's about giving everyone free access the sum of all human knowledge.
In 2008, Jimmy Wales said this: "'to create and distribute a free encyclopedia of the highest possible quality to every single person on the planet in their own language,' that's who I am. That's what I am doing. That's my life goal."
It's not just to "Host a wiki, which for the majority of people here, they think that's the purpose."
When they fundraise, it's for the entire mission. And until everyone has access to the sum of all human knowledge, they are still running short.
As for these groups, they all fit with that goal, of getting people access to this information, of providing information, of achieving that goal.
Feel free to disagree with their goal, but stop lying and pretending it has enough money. It doesn't, since it hasn't achieved its mission yet. The only thing you are saying when you say they are lying is that you got yours, everyone else can suffer.
Yeah right, that does not sound janky at all. "It's all about knowledge." I think you have internalized too much of their PR recently.
> "One concern was the lack of community input into the process that led to the fund's creation".
For the steward of a project like Wikipedia, it's true that a consensus-based governance structure would be appropriate. However, these are notoriously difficult to maintain in practice, frequently becoming split into partisan groups that obstruct decisions from being made. The Wikimedia Foundation currently has a self-selecting board of limited size, and so it is their responsibility to make decisions on their own in what they feel is in the best interests of the stakeholders. This does not preclude them from asking what the community of Wikipedia users want, but these are not the Foundation's only valid stakeholders.
> "Another was the use of money which was generally solicited on the grounds of being necessary to fund Wikimedia projects, meaning that many donors likely did not know or intend for their funds to be given to unrelated organizations."
This is indeed frustrating, but it is absolutely not uncommon for such organisations to use rhetoric in their fundraising. If the Wikimedia Foundation employ typical marketing individuals, they are most likely to run typical marketing campaigns for their fundraising. I am not defending the misleading advertisements, but I would point out that there is nothing shockingly unusual about this specific case.
> "Two of the grant recipients from the first round seem to have not shared financial reports detailing how the money was spent."
The Wikimedia Foundation will have done what they thought was due diligence; it feels too early to me (it is less than a year after the grant was announced) to claim that A. the beneficiaries are fraudulent, and B. that the Wikimedia Foundation could have reasonably determined this. I will admit that my alarm bells are ringing at the haphazard nature of the website of one of the two beneficiaries lacking a financial statement at the moment (https://iipsj.org).
> "This is a strange comment, as it would seem entirely within the power of the board to determine what information the minutes of its own meetings should contain."
This aspect is unsurprising to me, as it is generally not the board's responsibility to produce the minutes of their meetings. This is technically the responsibility of the Executive Director. The ED (sometimes called the CEO, or as an anachronism the General Secretary), is typically the most senior remunerated executive and does not sit on the board, but usually attends the board meetings in order to represent the staff. The actual writing of the minutes is usually delegated by the ED to the Secretary, who may be a board member or staff member depending on the organisation. The Board certainly have the power to refuse approval of the minutes, but it sounds from Jimbo Wale's quote that no one believed that the minutes were actually incorrect in this case, and therefore didn't want to upset the apple cart by withholding their approval.
--- In conclusion, I would like to express the opinion that there are multiple valid concerns raised in this article, but from the perspective of someone generally involved in third-sector/non-profit organisations, the Wikimedia Foundation does not appear to be a train-wreck by any stretch of the imagination, and is in fact about average! The stakeholders of Wikimedia are entitled to desire more, and I personally hope the Wikimedia Foundation take every opportunity to improve. Similarly, donations are of course voluntary and maybe being more cautious with your cash is the right way to communicate discontent to the Board. However, I don't think the Wikimedia Foundation are being irresponsible in their management of their grant fund, and unless you object to their running of one at all, I would suggest that ceasing donations is an extreme response.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_W...
I must say I am fairly disillusioned with the nonprofit world.
I'm actually rather curious now. Let me know if you write, because I'd like to avoid the airmail fee from the UK if at all possible :)
https://wikimediaendowment.org/
I have asked for revenue and expenses information (many times in fact), so far without success. Feel free to join the ongoing discussion on Jimmy Wales' talk page on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#Endowmen...
(The above link will decay once the discussion on Wales' talk page is archived. Here is a permalink: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_W... )
In any case, thank you for saving £2.20 of my own expenses and the IRS a letter asking about a non-existent 501(c)(3) ;)
Yes, in the Tides Form 990 nothing is broken down, so you can't see what the revenue and spending was. Jimmy Wales actually acknowledged that in this discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_W...
But that is all he said ... we're still waiting for proper disclosure of over 7 years of financial records ...
I'm curious by what precisely you mean by this. Last I checked, reality itself has problems consistently representing itself.
> reality itself has problems consistently representing itself
In this case neutral statements could be used.
It isn't a good encyclopedia, I agree – but what is?
So is the issue with the work of the academics? Or the way Wikipedia has put together the article? I'm not a historian by any definition of the word and in quite curious about this.
If you don't like what a charity does, don't donate to it?
The point of charity is to help the charity you want to help. Having it turn around and misuse your money by spending it on a completely unrelated cause defies the point and is downright fraud.
I donate because I want to advance human knowledge and access for all. I don't want my money spent on downright anti-white propaganda that discriminates against innocent white people.
Why do you claim this to be anti-white propaganda?
I mean, that's the point of this, right? If you donate to a charity thinking it's going to do A but it does B then you may want to stop donating to it. The only way you can do that is if you know they're doing B and not A.
So what's happening here is some people are doing exactly what you're saying but you're saying they should do that? They're already doing that.
My question with these donations are, do they have anything related to do with the core mission of Wikimedia? Stuff like Black Cultural Archives absolutely would count, as they're paying for preservation of knowledge and culture that could then be added into Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons[0]. Same goes for the Filipino American National Historical Society.
On the other hand, the human rights, equity, & advocacy organizations don't quite match what Wikimedia is doing. We can at least argue however that human rights is necessary for Wikimedia to continue operating. i.e. when horrific regimes want to control information Wikipedia is the first to get blocked. Likewise, Create Caribbean Research Institute is going to be promoting digital literacy in the Caribbean, which means more people over there using and editing Wikipedia. Also aligned with the mission, so I can't complain even if it isn't directly related to a Wikimedia project.
Data for Black Lives is the one thing that is genuinely confusing to me. It smells like a Silicon Valley fever dream: if we melt black people down into data we can use the data to make black people's lives better! No, this is just the flipside of the same artificial intelligence snake oil that the "predictive policing" people try to sell. Predictive policing tells you to keep policing the same areas you already police, based on the fact that there's more crime where cops are already looking. If you follow its recommendations, you'll wind up just intensifying enforcement and racial tensions. I see no reason why a "data driven racial justice" system wouldn't have the same problems, and I don't get why Wikimedia donated to this charity.
[0] Wikipedia has had significant systemic bias problems basically since its inception. When you have a bunch of primarily-white tech enthusiasts write an encyclopedia you get an encyclopedia with lots of information about what primarily-white tech enthusiasts want to talk about.