Santorum Pledges Pornography Blackout Using Lawsuits & SOPA-style ISP Filtering
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Santorum has a microscopically thin but nonzero chance of winning the Republican primaries. To do so, either Romney has to all but disappear as a candidate or he has to do extremely well in the upcoming primaries. Even then, the most likely outcome is a "brokered convention", where literally anything is possible, up to and including nominating someone who isn't even running yet.
Santorum knows that he has to win the GOP base this way. And he'll never win the libertarianish part of the GOP base to begin with (they're voting for Ron Paul), nor will he win over the sane people (they're either voting for Romney or staying home in a fog of crippling depression). So his only chance is to maximize turnout from crazy, evangelical, right-wing loonies of the type rarely seen outside flyover country.
If he somehow wins the nomination, expect him to quietly forget half of these crazy promises. If he loses, his political career is over. So he has to go pretty crazy.
Here's the real backstory.
You have Santorum mixed up with Romney. Santorum really believes all this stuff, he isn't just saying it to get elected. He is about as puritanical in his beliefs as you can get. While I respect him for being so open and being who he is, I frankly find it frightening that he is winning primaries.
Maybe this is just being pedantic, but: what about his beliefs on higher education? The man has denigrated the idea of pursuing education beyond high school, yet he has more degrees than the current president. That just seems like pandering to me.
As for the number of degrees, excess can breed contempt. Also, college is a great place to have lots of sex and be exposed to tons of secular ideas.
Here's the scorecard for sport fans:
Santorum: BA (Hons) from UPenn; a one year MBA from University of Pittsburgh. Katz.; J.D. (Hons) from Dickinson School of Law
Obama: BA, Columbia University; J.D. (Magna cum laude) from Harvard Law
Commitment to what aspect, though? Actual educational and personal development or complete indoctrination in a bubble where no outside ideas can penetrate?
My point is that it's an ambiguous indicator, and can honestly be used by both sides until we know details about the homeschooling in question.
The whole point of the homeschooling (one of) is that people choose what is actual education for them, not for somebody else. Of course, you or I may not like their choice, but why should they care?
A good education is one that reflects reality. If your opinion of what reality is differs from mine, you're welcome to show me wrong using experiments. Otherwise, you are wrong and are not likely to be a good educator.
> The debate about mentioning creationism in schools shows that both sides see the school as the indoctrination vehicle
Not to the extent you seem to think: One side has facts on its side, whereas the other does not. If you can't see any asymmetry there I refuse to try to help you.
> Of course, you or I may not like their choice, but why should they care?
Because I have to live with the laws they have the political clout to force through Congress. I have to deal with the fact they have just as much political clout as I do and no idea why the tides come in or why trickle-down economics is a terrible idea or why banning abortions doesn't magically make everyone into someone who can raise a child in a reasonable fashion.
Hitler was a liar to the core. He framed the Invasion of Poland as a 'defensive war' which he convinced many Germans into believe Poland was actually invading Germany!
He spun deceptions regularly and was known for his ability to convince or make others look the other way while he planned military actions and genocide. Just because he was outspoken about his hate for the Jewish people does not at all make him 'sincere'.
That's what makes these people dangerous. If they had an obsession with telling the truth, they would be easy to defeat, because even though many people share some of their beliefs, very few people share the priorities of true fanatics.
Look at the careers of Sarah Palin, Pat Buchanan, Howard Dean, Jon Stewart, Rush Limbaugh, Rob Reich, et cetera et cetera ad absurdum. Once a politician discovers some capacity to generate an audience, they go on raising money ($ for consultant buddies), selling books (royalties), speaking (speaker fees) . . . . No one expects these people to ever affect anything. But they can reliably, bankably, generate attention. Maybe they start out trying to influence opinion, but over time the audience retention imperative drives that to the background.
That's one reason why this sort is so reliably brain-dead. Saying something their audience doesn't expect to hear subjects said audience to the pain of unguided thought; do this too often and that audience withers, because they're tuning in for validation of opinion, not formation of new opinion.
A general campaign introduces Santorum to zero marginal conversative audience and takes up valuable time. If he won the nomination, his first move would be to demand a recount.
[EDIT: Yes, I meant Jon Stewart. I regard him and Limbaugh as a species of politician -- they make their living motivating political activity of a particular bent. They didn't build their audiences via electoral politics, but once built their audience relationship / maintenance dynamics are very similar to the others named.]
Who is John Stewart? If you're referring to the comedian Jon Stewart, when was he ever a politician? I don't think it's fair to lump him in with people like Palin, Dean, etc. Stewart has never held public office and made a career of poking fun at politicians and the media who cover them.
People thought George Bush would do the same.
Unless you live in US flyover country and are intimately familiar with the types of people who live there, you won't understand Santorum. It's just a cultural gap.
For what it's worth, I could name some popular opinions and ideas in, for instance, Europe that are just as shocking and repugnant to me.
Curious to hear some European opinions that are shocking to you. I wonder if they would be shocking to Americans in general and I wonder if Europeans would agree that those opinions and ideas are uniformly European.
One European idea (as practised in a reasonable sub set of Europe) that I can see many Americans finding shocking are the legal limits to free speech. Gun control is another one which would shock at least a fair number of Americans (again this varies a bit across Europe, but is always far stricter than in the US). Various ideas on taxation is a third, depending slightly on your political leaning. The lax (from a US perspective) attitude towards punishing criminals as yet another.
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When was the last time the bay area was referred to as flyover country? And so far Santorum has won 10 and seconded quite a few other primaries. Crazy or not he appears to reflect the ideas of a large portion of the american populous. He regularly gets 20-30% of the vote.
The nazis were a broad popular movement. It wasn't just some dictator and his family who could be removed in a day. Most of the intellectual elite was either dead or had left the country. The nazis had replaced everyone who held any kind of official role with their own people. All the judges, university teachers, school principals, police officers, civil servants, etc, they were all nazis or opportunistic collaborators with questionable political attitudes.
There was no way all these people could have been removed from their posts or put in jail where they really belonged. Preventing them from being politically active, banning their symbols and everything they might reunite behind in order to regain power, was seen as the only practical way to diffuse a very real threat.
Also, the laws were made at a time when no law could be made without the approval the US government. After all, a large number of US, British, Russian, and other soldiers had just lost their lives liberating Europe and removing the nazis from power. It would have been insane to just let the nazis resume their political activities.
But 66 years on they are no longer a threat. They have almost no popular support, and the very specific laws that violate free speech could now be replaced by general laws against inciting violence like they exist in all countries.
Judging by the experiences of footballers like Samuel Eto'o, Mario Balotelli, and Patrice Evra, Europe is decades behind the United States in tackling the problem of racism. I've never heard of black athletes on the field of play being the subject of racist taunts either by the fans or by opposing players in the United States. It is unbelievably taboo.
I'm shocked that in Italy, it is apparently possible to simultaneously be the richest man in the country, the majority owner of a major media conglomerate, and Prime Minister. And that's setting aside all the other unsavory things about Berlusconi.
Now, I kind of expect a lot of Europeans--on HN at least--to be embarrassed about neofascists or racism or Berlusconi, but hey, I'm just as embarrassed about Santorum.
Alas, then you don't really understand the GOP. These beliefs are representative of a large chunk of the GOP base. Santorum's success is not a fluke in that regard.
If Santorum manages to win the general election, ritual suicide will become a serious option.
The point is, from a game-theoretical standpoint, there is no benefit to Santorum in backing down from his rhetoric at this juncture. He's in an especially lucrative position because Romney is so perfectly ill-positioned to win over the base Santorum has carved out for himself. (In the eyes of the evangelical, white, working-class base, Romney is every bit the "snob" that Obama is).
[1] http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/07/no-clear-pa...
The porn industry isn't unified and has virtually no lobbying power, when (depending on the reports you read) it brings in 1/3 of the revenue of the movie industry, without ever getting a box office receipt.
When you're talking about ending an industry, not only in the US but trying to ban the global industry, you're not only going to align them against you very quickly, but I bet they would be willing to spend a lot of money to smear campaign you into the ground. Oh and look, they have exceptionally hot women that (depending on the studies) approx. 40-50% of them have worked as prostitutes.
Basically, Rick Santorum would be facing an industry with the money and the means to line you up for a massive scandal that would completely destroy a "conservative family man" image.
I wouldn't even be surprised if the porn industry helped line him up just so they could knock the entire republican party out of the election in one messy sex scandal.
Honestly if I had at stake what the porn industry does. I'd be thinking "regardless of if Obama wins this one or not, next election there's a huge chance it's going to be republican so lets end Santorum once and for all".
No one, no matter how ardent a republican is going to vote for a 'happily married father of 8' if he's caught sleeping with an 18 year old porn star.
Draconian comes in all flavors. We aren't waiting for the Santorum bus to drive up. It's already here.
I mean, we give these guys nuclear launch codes!
I'm sorry if this offends some but this god bullshit really needs to disappear from our culture before humanity can truly begin to move to a higher level.
Most people would laugh their asses off (and be horrified) if a candidate for President expresses obedience and belief in Thor. What's the difference between Thor and all the other supers?
I was once called up for jury duty. When it came time to be sworn in for the initial selection I told the judge that I could not swear on the bible. He asked me why. I told him that I happen to know that the Principle of Conservation of Energy is true and that I could not, in good conscience swear on something that blatantly violates it in so many ways. He actually chuckled. I then offered that, if belief in the supernatural was a prerequisite to be selected into a jury I would gladly swear by Thor to tell the truth and nothing but the truth, etc. I told him that I like that story a little better because of the cool hammer. I was respectfully excused. Ironic, being that they were after the truth.
But I digress, I agree with the fiscal conservatism of the Republican ticket but their hyper-religious bend and ridiculous social stance sure turns me off. Santorum is insane.
Where is Joe Piscopo when you need him?
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/15/feds-grant-permit-t...
Really? Two beautiful animals will be killed because of a belief in the supernatural. If this is not the peak of absurdity I don't know what is.
Here's a statement from the article:
The eagle "flies higher then any other creature. It sees many things. It's closer to the Creator,"
It is a slippery slope to allow and tolerate this kind of thing. Supporting someone like Santorum, with values and ideas deeply rooted in the religious extreme, is yet one more step towards something we really don't want to see happen to this country.That is the most ironic attack on religion I have ever seen considering that the big bang was a huge violation of conservation of energy. (Science currently has no explanation for it. It may someday, but right now it's completely unknown.)
Religion actually affirms conservation of energy by saying the energy came from outside the system, and that the nature of this outside system is unknown.
The main difference is that Religion hold that the nature of this outside system will never be known, and Science holds that we may someday know it, but currently do not.
Really? There you go! Solved! Thanks!
A few questions, since you seem to know it all (I certainly don't):
How does religion explain 250,000 people dead from a Tsunami in Indonesia?
Or, how about a similar number in Haiti?
Or, how about the six million Jews?
And the two million Armenians?
Darfur?
How about the 48 million people dead in WW2?
Or the 21 million in WW1?
And the 20 million dead during the great Chinese famine?
The numbers are staggering. It's sickening:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_and_anthropogenic_...OK, so god is powerful enough to create the Universe in seven days and explain the big bang by a supernatural act of unimaginable proportions. Yet, he/it can't be bothered to at least save just the children of the aforementioned disasters and genocides?
But, he/it will help someone not loose their home, pass a final exam, hit the jackpot or win Suvivor because they prayed? While, at the same time letting a child die from cancer across town?
And he/it, while being ever-present, all-knowing, all-loving and omnipotent can't be bothered to stop hundreds of millions of his people from death, horrible illness, famine, genocide and, let's not forget being raped by priests. And, while we are on that subject, why haven't any of these priests been struck by lightning?
Either he/it doesn't give a shit or he/it is indifferent or he/it is petty and nasty and can't be bothered or he/it is not omnipotent or he/it is less powerful than the devil or...
Or better yet, he/it does not exist.
Please. Spare me the bullshit.
The thought of having someone like Santorum in the White House scares the crap out of me. Such ignorance is hard to fathom in this day and age.
And thanks for the down-votes. Keep them coming.
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Many religions claim to already know (some part of) the nature of whatever it is outside the physical universe. They just claim that the information comes from something other than observation of physical processes.
I have no problem with religion, but please don't mix it with governance. Don't try to force everyone to live by the rules of your religion (or an arbitrary interpretation of your Holy Book). Especially not in their private lives. "Separation of religion and state" and "freedom of religion" used to be big issues, at least in Europe... These days, I don't know anymore.
Those who govern us have the power to do great good or great evil. It is my contention that a deep belief in anything supernatural should automatically disqualify someone from political office at almost any level. I did say "deep belief". The main reason I think that this is important is that those who are religious extremists are so invested in their belief system that they come to office with an agenda. And this agenda is not based on a reality, no matter how many people think otherwise.
I did say "religious extremists". My parents would describe themselves as believers. They'll never hurt anyone with or for their beliefs. They simply grew up at a time when that's what you did and that's what you believed. They just happened to be born somewhere where the local "team" believed in Christianity, they would have believed just as strongly in any other religion had they been born somewhere else.
A typical example of religious exremism is the extension of religious judgement onto the gay community. I'm not gay but have absolutely no problem with that community at all. Why? Because if I had a problem with that I'd have to have a problem with my kids having brown hair or long fingers. Why? Because it is a genetic mutation (not a pejorative, just fact) just like being born with blue eyes. Virtually nobody decides to be gay, they are born that way. They could have been born with green eyes just as well. Yet, the religious extremists will judge these people harshly and reject the evolutionary basis of the phenotypes they dislike. They'll pick something with no evidence of any kind against something that has mountains (literally) of evidence all around us. One of my favorite demonstrations of evolution is that my kids don't all look that same: mutation at work.
The Santorum doctrine is deeply rooted on religious beliefs. He is a religious extremist. Virtually nothing comes out of his mouth that does not have a foundation on his faith. That's why I think he is a dangerous man and sincerely hope he does not win the nomination.
This latest attack on porn is just an extension of that. I don't like porn. I think its demeaning and portrays an image of women that is simply grotesque. Few things change your mind more than having a daughter, of course. Having said that, I can't be on the side of restricting anyone's right to create or consume porn. That's their business and neither I nor government has any place in what they do with their private lives. Like it or not.
I do think it is OK to have community-based rules. I don't want the stuff on TV for my kids to see. They can't comprehend it and are not mentally prepared to deal with it. I'm not saying that the Federal Government ought to set these standards. It could be a States issue. That said, I'd rather keep government entirely out of it. The market can decide these kinds of things very efficiently. For example, if porn was available without any kind of access restrictions on my satellite service, I would cancel it. So would others. Very soon, if that satellite company wanted my business they'd implement a sensible way for me to decide what I want my family to be exposed to. That's the way it should work. I don't want Santorum or anyone to tell us what we can and cannot do based on his deep-rooted belief in the supernatural.
My courtroom example exposes an aspect of this country that is troublesome: If you don't profess belief in the same supernatural stories the religious majority pushes you can and are excluded from political life. I wonder how many Senators, Representatives and, in general, politicians are atheists who begrudgingly place their hand on the bible when they are sworn-in because, well, they have to.
Think about it. Views and stances like Santorums are no different than those of the extremist religion-based governments in the middle east we hear about every day. We don't want that here. If that means accepting others' freedom to make and use porn, so be it.
"The Obama Administration has turned a blind eye to those who wish to preserve our culture from the scourge of pornography and has refused to enforce obscenity laws."
You mean the obscenity laws that SCOTUS keeps beating down? They have limited the FCC now so you will at least be able to hear accidental cussing on TV without the stations paying insane fines. The Superbowl/Janet Jackson 'nipple-slip' punishment has been completely reversed.
Since porn is on the internet, it is NOT easily accessible to minors. Outside of the few corner cases (public wifi mostly) it's not that easy for minors to get access. At that point it's up to parents to limit exposure through the readily available software.
"Santorum’s administration could take American-based porn distributors to court for violating obscenity laws, said Volokh, and have them shuttered."
They failed with magazines, why would the internet be any different? It's only a different medium in that the content is delivered more easily. That doesn't make it more obscene.
All this talk is why Santorum might win the nomination but lose a landslide of an election. While centrist Republicans might vote for him just because he is GOP, his extreme views turn the independents and undecideds off and that's who you need to win an election.
That seems to be entirely beside Santorum's point. His particular brand of politics is largely against any kind of sexual freedom. Gay rights, abortion, even contraception is something they would like the government to legislate against. To them, porn is not bad because kids might see it; porn is bad, full stop.
The problem (for the anti-porn crowd) with that is SCOTUS won't censor anything unless they have a damn good reason to. They wouldn't touch video games because there is already a mechanism (the ESRB) to give parents the power to protect their kids from the 'dangers' within. Consenting adults are pretty much free and clear to do anything they want to themselves as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else - as far as the current justices appear to be concerned.
How do you figure? If you've got a house with an internet connection, there's a pretty high chance the kid in the house will be able to figure out a way to access pornography unless the parents lock down the ever-increasing list of devices from which this could be accessed. I'm not saying it's something that the government should involve themselves with ... but I also don't know that diligent-parenting can ever be an effective solution to say that porn isn't easily accessible to minors.
As for pandering, with Santorum I'm not certain it's the case. Many of the things he supports politically appear to be part of his core beliefs.
I'm not saying he's not anti-porn. He's pandering because, knowing that he's a lawyer, and assuming he knows at least rudimentary constitutional law (I'd hope), he knows he can't affect a single iota of change in this area. He's just saying it to appeal to the ultra-conservative base.
You can be extremely conservative in regards to individual freedom without having all the completely counter-conservative opinions of the evangelical enforcement agency.
Not trolling just a semantic that bothers me.
PS The internet would be different in court in the same way that I don't get sued for leaving my newspaper on the restaurant table for someone else after I am done with it, where if I leave a copy of a movie on the internet for others I potential get extradited. Only half joking. It would be the same insane confuse the jury trials we have now.
Personally, I wouldn't put those limits on a 17-year-old, even my own (don't have one yet). However, the overall point is that Santorum doesn't want anyone to have access to porn, even someone over the age of 18. He feels that his definition of obscene should be everyone's.
Um, I've worked several years as a network admin and dealt quite a bit with firewalls and network security in general, and I'm completely at a loss to come up with a not that difficult way to block porn on the internet in a way that couldn't be circumvented in less than 15 minutes by your average even half way technical teenager. I'm curious to hear what you had in mind. Hell even if are a super hard core network security guru and manage to completely lock down your home network, it's basically impossible to a find a point in any town where you aren't within a short walk of an open wifi network.
The easiest way is a password on a computer. If you aren't around to supervise your kid, they aren't allowed to be on the computer. You could also keep the computer in a public location, like the living room or den, where they will be highly unlikely to surf porn.
And I can't imagine there aren't good firewall programs out there for parents to use. There were at least mediocre ones a decade+ ago when most people were still on dial up.
Open wifi networks are still an issue, like I said. Although I'm not sure how many teenagers would surf for porn in Starbucks. Certainly not enough to warrant the censoring of the entire internet.
Home web filtering solutions are also joke and snake oil, always have been. They'll stop dim and uninterested people who don't really care too much one way or the other, but anyone willing to spend 5-10 minutes thinking about the problem will waltz around them.
As to open wifi networks, they won't be watching the porn at Starbucks, they'll be downloading it for later viewing.
And finally it doesn't matter how much you do to lock down your computers and networks when they just go over to friends house and use the unlocked and unfiltered computer there.
Again censoring the entire internet is obviously Wrong. But thinking that you can prevent your teenager from viewing porn on the internet if they really wish to do so simply naive.
So installing porn filters and locks on your home computer is probably a good thing, not because it will prevent your kids from watching porn, but it will make them to learn more about computers and computer networks :)
There's a perception that watching porn is taboo, but that's probably because it's not a socially acceptable topic of conversation. Everyone does it or has done it.
There is absolutely no way that this idiotic pledge of his can have a net positive gain for him. If anything, this will probably encourage otherwise non-voters to vote against him.
However, it is unfortunately very plausible, if he or some other religious extremist became president, that hundreds or thousands of citizens (a more or less random selection from the millions that occasionally view porn) might be arrested, caged, fined, and otherwise abused as part of a dysfunctional and technically incompetent 'war on porn'.
(The morality of it is interesting, too: what's worse, jerking off while watching a blowjob video, or apprehending a human being under threat of violence and putting them in a cage?)
So everyone and their mother are complaining about big government and one of the two guys who has good chances of becoming the nominee is in favor of doing draconian (fascist, even) big government stuff. What?!
American voter, what’s going on? I’m only confused. I have given up making sense of it.
Leftists want the government to leave people's private lives alone and stick their fingers in everyone else's business lives.
Conservatives want the opposite.
Get out of my business, and get into my bedroom!
Santorum's statement mentions that he'd appoint an Attorney General (also in the executive branch) that would enforce existing obscenity laws.
Its fine to disagree with Santorum on this, but its a bit misleading to say he'd force ISPs to filter content (or that he'd have the power to do so).
Santorum is just the most recent incarnation of the moral majority that want to dictate how you should act in your private life. Part of the same group that screams about the government intruding on gun rights, religious rights, etc. A hypocrite.
While, I am hopeful he won't get the votes to event be considered for the GOP nominee, I do hope someone like Larry Flynt will crawl out and destroy yet another moralist.
What happens between consenting adults in their private lives has nothing to do the government.
A long time optimist (and citizen of) that people in the US will do the right thing, I am glad that I have an exit opportunity to saner parts of the world.
The fact that Santorum and his brand of politics has traction , on some level, scares me.
Most people who say this don't really believe this. Should I be allowed to pay a consenting adult $3/hour to clean my bedroom, while I talk about how much I dislike people of $PROTECTED_CLASS?
[edit: to clarify my position, I have no objection to any consensual activities between adults. This includes gay sex, low wage labor, unlicensed medicine, etc.]
And in both cases, I believe that their appeals to personal freedom are mostly intellectually dishonest post-hoc justifications for pre-existing beliefs.
A parent and child...
You'll note that in my post, I explicitly referred to consenting adults (just as jmspring did). Is there some reason you believe these two adults are capable of consenting to gay sex on film in return for money, but those same two adults are incapable of consenting to cleaning bedrooms and listening to racial epithets for less money?
Or if I want to avoid pedantic arguments, maybe I should say "perceived" self interest. I'm sure there are many paternal government supporters who will do their best to convince a jobless poor person that it's actually bad to work for a rate that some bureaucracy doesn't like.
"To black out foreign sites, Santorum would likely need legislative action requiring Internet service providers to use “a mandatory filter set up by the government or by the service providers,” said Volokh."
That said, I remember advocating a simple manner of obliterating the porn industry a long time ago. (Not porn, mind you, but rather the nasty business of actually producing it.) Just reduce copyright protection of pornographic material to 1 day. After this, what's currently piracy would become ultra-cheap, legal trade, and it would be quickly unprofitable to finance new material.
Also, your solution doesn't solve the "problem" of watching porn, which is most of the problem prudes have with porn.
The fact that we still have obscenity laws on the books is, well, obscene.
It's all moot, though, as there's no chance he'll get the nomination, let alone the presidency.
The big question here is what the hell are "community standards" when talking about the internet?
I suppose Santorum would go by the "community standards" of his voters, no matter if they are Internet-users or not.
As a result, the question of what is and what isn't rarely easily answerable. In the US, these days, child porn is obscene (but is also illegal several times over via other laws, so that hardly matters) and even a textual and fictional account of the rape of a child might be obscene if it seems to a jury that it was meant purely to titillate. On the other hand, an autobiography of someone who was abused as a child, or a textbook meant for social workers discussing how to help the victim of child abuse would not be obscene (assuming, of course, a jury agrees on what the material in question is). Depictions of bestiality and other similar acts are probably obscene, but maybe not - it all depends on what a jury says. And there are different rules at the national level and in the various states. Sex toys are never obscene at the national level, but are obscene in Alabama. On the other hand, nothing is obscene in Oregon.
tl;dr summary: Has a border been defined? No. :)
http://www.calamitiesofnature.com/archive/?c=550
It shows the American states on a scatterplot. Color is voting preference; the X and Y axes show search frequency for "god" and "free gay porn".
I do wish we could get a TRUE small government candidate from either party.
Not that he has a real chance at the nomination, but there you go. Most people don't actually want a small government. They want a government which fixes the problems that they perceive in society (whether that be porn, guns, abortion or health care).
To me, many conservative commentators sound more like they want an Orwellian society than a free society: Don't get in the way of business and only think and do what we want you to think and do.
I appreciate Ron Paul in that when he says small government, he means it, including giving us freedoms that social conservatives believe are morally objectionable.
Ok, I wanted to stay out of this political discussion, but I just can't stand seeing this Ron Paul fawning go uncontested. Ron Paul is a social conservative, and he legislates as one. He is so anti-choice that he has introduced the Sanctity of Life Act four times; this act wouldn't just outlaw abortion, it would outlaw birth control by defining human life as beginning at conception. Love it or hate it, but please don't claim that Ron Paul is anything other than a social conservative, legislatively speaking.
EDIT: As pointed out below, I was mistaken (ignorant) of the difference between contraceptive and contragestive; I still stand by my disappointment that the strongest libertarian voice in this country is steadfastly anti-choice, but I was incorrect on the matter of the common forms of birth control.
I was listening to NPR today and there was a discussion about how Romney's political strategists dictate the man's political rhetoric in order to be able to placate or appeal to specific demographics. In other words, the man isn't genuine. He doesn't say what he really believes, only what his strategists say he should be saying to get the most votes.
I wish more politicians could be more honest to their core values and beliefs, but as a student of Political Science I understand the rules of the game incentivize this type of behavior.
Did anyone what The Adjustment Bureau? The guy gets elected because he was stopped the game and was honest with his supporters, though I doubt that would work in real life.
Most forms of birth control prevent conception ("contraceptives"). Only a few types act after conception ("contragestives" [0], which prevent implantation). A law of the type you described would not affect most forms of birth control.
Those wars are very different than Vietnam of Afghanistan.
I'm not saying it's rational, or defending it, but in my experience it's quite common for someone to believe in small government, but have an item or two that should be exceptions.
For me, it's healthcare and education. For many republicans, it's defense.
Individually, each view of the government may be intelligent and rational, but if each person has a small amount of input on how government is run, and you end up with a bloated, badly designed government that no single person in the group wanted.
IMO, that's a valid and important addition to the GP's point (which I agree with). If anyone wants to argue the point (which I may well be wrong about), my email is in my profile.
Fuck. You.
That is all.