Chinese Trust Companies on the Brink
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My biggest hope is that the economic pain will induce soul-searching and push China away from authoritarianism, leading to the country's gradual transition into a modern democracy -- to the detriment of party apparatchiks and their psychophants, whose power and importance depends on maintaining the status quo.
My biggest fear is that party apparatchiks start pushing for policies that can lead only to armed conflict in the hopes of holding on to their power and status -- e.g., they might push for annexing Taiwan by force in the short run, ensuring a confrontation with the West. Few things impede political change as well as armed conflict.
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[a] See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37101496 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37101229 for background.
I would call it what it is: China is in a great depression
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/11/china-econo...
My worry is chinas instability economically leads to political instability leads to wars to distract and focus away from the man behind the curtain.
That + the pandemic (a massive, epic increase in money supply and cheap credit) helped China keep that going.
AFAIK China's housing bubble began in 2008, after the housing bubbles of the West stopped giving China the growth it needed so much. So yeah, they kept the bubble going for long (and they're still trying to "soft-land" the economy, but I don't believe there's a soft-landing possible that doesn't lead to a Japan situation).
https://landgeist.com/2021/11/04/housing-vacancy-rate-in-chi...
What would majority of NYC residents who rent think of that market?
When there was economy destroying debt used to create it and people aren't buying.
The problem is debt and you are only looking at the comment you replied to, not what the thread is talking about.
Second, they are being financed in a Ponzi scheme with rents that are so high no one can rent them. They aren’t really built to be lived in. They’re being built to be built to drive debt investments.
Third, if you produced way too much food, it rots. If you produce too much electricity, it is wasted into the ground. Water into the ocean. That’s pointless and a waste.
China's REPORTED GDP 'growth' for 2022 was +2.9%. In a year where Chinese LNG demand was down 22%, their real estate market (which represents 33% of Chinese GDP) was in the midst of a collapse, literally welding Chinese citizens into their apartment buildings, and the WeChat payments flowing through their system were down over 20% yoy. In 2023, YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT is somewhere between 20% and 50%, 48 local governments are in some stage of default on their debt (LGFV debt is approximately $10trillion or just under 60% of GDP), the majority of Chinese property developers are in default of their dollar bonds (71% are in default of over $180 billion in bonds), Xi has ordered all corporate and macro level dat to be severed to the West, and the Chinese government is reporting +5.5% GDP 'GROWTH'?! Reputable economists don't believe these numbers from the CPC
Not my advice but the advice of Jack Ma. You know, the guy the CCP effectively stripped of most of his influence for warning them about problems with China's banking and regulatory system.
When the voting was all said and done, Xi Jinping was retained for a third term as Chairman Winnie the Pooh; and Li Zhanusa who appeared visibly upset and attempted to help Hu Jintao until being pulled back by Wang Huning and Li Keqiang of the Hu faction were not retained for the 20th Central Committee.
In order to show Hu Jintao was not disappeared, he was later appointed to oversee the funeral proceedings of his own immediate predecessor, Jiang Zemin, over 35 other people who were ahead of him on a list of people to oversee the proceedings.
So you tell us, did Chairman Winnie the Pooh here hijack the CCP or is he just their frontman?
- The author, Sue-Lin Wong, is something of an outsider, and outsider reporting on China typically misses some subtleties of the real situation in the country.
- Given the nature of China, there will never be a fully autocratic leader there, though it may appear that way to some, and the would-be autocrat might be deluded into thinking they are.
Xi is not their front man. Xi is now their ruler who wants to regress China back to Mao’s system.
The CCP also adopted capitalism. I don't see how they hijacked it.
In socialism, there’s no need for a pension. The state will decide what to distribute, how much and to whom.
> can’t even see a doctor without waiting for months (unless paying high fees out of pocket)
In socialism, you get allocated resources and services from the “community” aka state. When resources are finite, you wait in lines. We’re already seeing that in nations with socialized healthcare without a private option
> the whole population shrinkage thing in the long run
Thank you for bringing that up. All modern economic systems, socialism included, require growth.
With Ant Financial being just another regulated lender, there was no way to justify their inflated valuation and by proxy the valuation of parent company Alibaba. Hence the sharp decrease in stock price.
So I think you have your causality backwards: Alibaba didn't lose value because of Jack Ma's warning, rather the "problem" with China's regulatory system he was warning about was that it was going to make Alibaba lose value.
(And invoking his advice when another financial systemic risk is rearing its head might not be the most appropriate.)
Even without all this, the world’s existing systems of Government have a challenge ahead of them with emerging digital intelligence.
We rarely can predict or even conceive of the next era when the previous era is in retrograde before big changes, though people like to pretend it’s all very linear and predictable in history books.
LLMs go schizophrenic long before they get anywhere close to human intelligence:
https://chat.openai.com/share/f5341665-7f08-4fca-9639-042013...