Israeli startups are moving jobs and money out of the country
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When Israel was created anew in 1948, its Declaration of Independence implied there would be a constitution, but this was delayed as Israel was immediately invaded by several nations.
Eventually when a ceasefire was reached, politicians couldn't agree on what should go into the constitution. And without a constitution, the balance of power between legislature and judicial branches was never clearly defined.
It's in this backdrop the judicial reform proposal takes the stage. It reduces the power of Israel's Supreme Court by dictating what type of laws the court can and cannot strike down. It grants more power to the elected members of the Knesset, rather than unelected judges.
To describe it as "not a democracy anymore" is wildly sensational and inaccurate. (And I say that despite personally opposing the reforms for other reasons.)
[0]: https://allisrael.com/historical-backdrop-for-the-controvers...
>It's in this backdrop the judicial reform proposal takes the stage. It reduces the power of Israel's Supreme Court by dictating which laws the court can and cannot strike down. It grants more power to the elected members of the Knesset, rather than unelected judges.
In Israel there is no proper separation of power. Legislative and executive are essentially same . Judical branch is the only check and balance available in Israel. Also in reality Supreme Court stroke down in last 30 years only 22 laws (or some parts of them), and mostly because they were conflicting with pre-existing laws. This doesn't show "extreme power" of Supreme Court, but stupidity of combined legislative and executive branches that write bad laws.
So it might be sensational and inaccurate, but that's the existing rhetoric in Israel.
I do think the rhetoric is correct, btw, for sure directionally (and probably just fully correct). The prime minister is literally copying playbooks from other countries that have turned into dictatorships.
Also, the only reason to make such a huge mess in order to pass these reforms is if these reforms are really important for you - and the religious right that is pushing these reforms are making it very clear why they want them.
Then in 1995, in Bank hamizrachi verdict [0], the supreme court declared it has the authority to overturn regular laws according to basic laws, including basic laws which were legislated with 32-20 majority (out of 120 seats). The supreme court declared that the only thing required for a law to be constitutional is the string "basic law" in its name. (That this terrible idea took 30 years to blow up is an achievement).
Over the years, the supreme court had decided to intervene in things which are the open wounds of Israeli society. These include the issue of Haredim recruitment to the army (where the supreme court had cancelled many laws that seeked a resolution, from both sides of the political aisles), issues of religion and state (the last leftist coalition had fallen as a direct result of an intervention of the supreme court with Hametz laws, leading to the resignation of Idit Silman).
A bit like how the U.S. supreme court intervention into abortions has led to politization of the court, and into heavy pressure from Christians to pick "pro life" judges that eventually resulted in overturning the abortion verdict, we're seeing a similar dynamic playing out where supreme court preventing resolution of a political - religious conflict leads to politization of the court and to religious people seeking to pick judges.
My personal opinion is that the supreme court should've stayed out of this mess so that we wouldn't reach this point. I don't support politicization of the court but the court also bears a responsibility.
Politicians should resist the temptation intervene with the court, and the court should resist the temptation to intervene in politics.
And this is especially true in a country where the supreme court wasn't granted its authority from any constitution, but from its own verdicts.
[0] https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A4%D7%A1%D7%A7_%D7%93%D7... (you'll need Google translate)
Is that a reference back to the US since the US Constitution doesn't actually allow for the Supreme Court to review laws for consitutionability?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_review_in_the_United_...
On a technical level it's wildly sensational and inaccurate. On a political level it's what a lot of the supporters of the judicial reform bills have been saying.
I find travel advice sites to be a good indicator of how well a country is doing. Check out the gov.uk [1] Israel travel advice, for example.
> Terrorists are very likely to try to carry out attacks in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Attacks could be indiscriminate, including places visited by foreigners including the Old City in Jerusalem, on public transport, and in busy public spaces. See Terrorism
> In Israel and the West Bank, there is a risk of violent incidents, including stabbings, shootings, arson, vehicle rammings and stone throwing attacks on people and vehicles.
Nobody likes to live in a state (no pun) of constant fear. A legit government should be able to de-escalate violence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...
What does this even mean? I would argue Israel is safer now than at almost any other point in the last few decades.
and this is all WITH the place being currently in a state of chaos and PRO democracy protests.
Israel is much safer overall than the US.
Neither Israel nor its American proxies and supportive lobbying groups particularly are big on highlighting that fact, since the misperception is politically useful.
I saw from their eyes how our Israeli leaders really don’t want to solve the Israel-Palestian problem. … I think the Palestinian leaders suffer from the same horrible disease.
Where are all these people going?
It's just making me start to think the idea of brain drain is mostly leaping on any minor data point to make your point.
The few places with growing economies and low(-ish) taxation that flavor wealthy and ambitious people: US, London, Dublin, Amsterdam, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Singapore, etc
$3.9 billion in venture capital investments during the first six months of 2023 is completely obscene for a country the size of Israel.
I can only dream about Danish startups pulling that kind of money.
Broke college student boycotting you doesn’t do much
This is an internal conflict related to the 3 factions of Israeli Jews colliding.
Israel lobby (AIPAC, DMfI) has spent hundreds of millions defanging any left-based dissent to Israeli policies and pushing for candidates that s don’t dare to say anything about Palestinians much less all the money sent to Israel.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/21/top-us-court-refuse...
Isn't it like 38 states? That's a lot more than 'a few'.
> and the Constitutionality is dubious.
And yet so many states have it. What's troubling is that so many of our politicians ( national and state ) openly support such an unconstitutional and anti-american law. Not to mention the media. China and russia's like "I'll have what Israel is having'.
Be very careful about the EU. There's a reason there's only one big software company, SAP, and that their product both sucks fat balls and their market cap is still tinier than tiny compared to the SV usual suspects.
The EU is typically not a welcoming environment for entrepreneurs. Taxes and paperwork are through the roof and god forbid you succeed for the rich are nearly universally hated.
The latest development is that although the EU has no fiscal competence the EU Commission will draft a rule so that a yearly tax on wealth shall be imposed in every single EU country. At first it was supposed to be a yearly tax on those worth more than $50m but now it's already changed to "tax the 1%" (which is a lot of people). The goal of the tax is to bring in more revenues annually than the entire yearly budget of the UE (which represent a sizeable portion of each EU country's GDP): I did the math and it's pure insanity.
The EU is overall a place that'll bleed you dry.
Where the next stage is a petition of one million signatures from ordinary people, after which the commission must "react", which can include telling them they're not interested.
A petition. That can then be shot down.
Extrapolating a bit (and this is just me speculating), my guess is that the moves are happening early due to fear of a last-mover disadvantage. If you sit tight while everyone else heads for the exit, the door might be closed when you get there.
I wonder if politicians will ever learn that turning countries into fascist dictatorships is bad for business.
The "ordinary people" vote for this every four years.
I'm not very familiar with the issue, but in any case, a majority rule that ignores strong oppositions from minority voters can be dangerous for democracies. It is two wolves and a lamb voting on what's for dinner (old saying, not mine).
The problem these startups have is that the government has been democratically elected, but the demographics are swinging religious populists into increasingly permanent control.
That's democratic! But it's the consequence of ultraconservatives having 12 children when liberals have 2. Let's use a more precise term for what they don't like.
I'd be interested in learning about any examples. I don't know enough about global politics to even hazard a guess
https://consoc.org.uk/the-constitution-explained/the-judicia...
> The UK is traditionally thought to have one such system, as under the doctrine of parliamentary sovereignty the UK Parliament is the supreme source of authority: whatever the democratically elected representatives decide upon is law, and if expressed in an Act of Parliament cannot be overturned by the courts.
And maybe more broadly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_sovereignty. But it seems like it's sort of on the way out everywhere.
https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/relations-with-othe...
Royal Assent
When a Bill has been approved by a majority in the House of Commons and the House of Lords it is formally agreed to by the Crown. This is known as the Royal Assent. This turns a Bill into an Act of Parliament, allowing it to become law in the UK.
[1] https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2013-09-17/uni...).)
Religion is older than democracy and will likely outlive it
Hard to say. I think religious indoctrination is harder to maintain over time in the face of technology. Eventually it will run out of shadow and won’t have enough compelling answers for life’s questions.
true but there aren't a lot of functioning democracies where those reforms are being pursued by a leader who had to already abdicate his position as PM after being indicted for bribery and fraud, while also still being subject to more trials.
If someone like that starts to question the autonomy of the judiciary democracy isn't the word I'd pick for it. Context does matter
So why would a democratic government insist on passing laws that cost it its chance to win the election and are going to be overturned by the next government, and risk a heavily antagonistic policy against the current coalition's interests, by the next likely govermnent?
In a democratic framework it makes no sense. The only way it could make sense is if the current coalition is planning to break the democratic system, and engineer unfair elections, and unfair political system, like in Turkey and Hungary. And all the coalition's rethoric and other actions hint in this way like a giant flashing neon sign the size of a skyscrapper.
So as pretty as your theory may sound this is a completely different scenario.
- supreme court been standing in the way of multiple laws that tried to free from army yeshiva students because it violates principle of equality
- supreme court tends to stand in a way of mid/low level corruption in form of appointing to different professional positions in ministries and state owned companies people without any qualification (the only qualifications been relatives or "mandate harvesters")
- judicial advisors to government/ministries who can prevent doing illegal/stupid things
religious parties want to free their students from conscription. for coalition to stay in place they need votes of religious parties. right in general been unhappy with a supreme court for many years and for past 15 years or so they claimed that it doesn't represent population.
right now stars got aligned and they decided to legalize laws in order to take some power from supreme court / select their own judges in order to advance their agenda.
it's as simple as that.
yes, it may lead to unfair elections/etc, but it's just immediate interests of involved parties
Our democracy has one house and no oversight other than judiciary. Once you handicap judiciary the current government can do literally anything.
E.g. in the US the president appoints the judges but the senate has to confirm. The congress holds the money and war declaration. We don't have any of that separation so one crazy party (which we have right now) can literally do anything with no oversight.
Small business though, it was better to be friend with small local powers.
However, the legal overhaul does curtail the court's ability to assert a more libertarian, liberal agenda. The government is pushing a religious agenda that will change the nature of the country, and that causes significant consternation to the largely secular population that makes up the hi-tech nation.
Still, Israel is about as authoritarian as France/Hungary and a bit less than Turkiye. Hardly the worst but still.
But judging from some comments here, that's a "liberal agenda".
3M are in the occupied territories which are technically not a part of Israel so they "technically" don't live in Israel. This is terrible I agree. But this goes both ways. Thanks to the fact that they're not a part of Israel they can become an independent state at some point.
In fact, a lot of what's going on right now is because of the rift within Israeli society which is torn apart about this whole mess.