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Yes you can.

https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterpri...

This falls under the heading of "technically correct" - in the sense that the limit is high enough for people to make the argument you are, and yet too low for most enterprise use-cases. Worse, the offer could be withdrawn at any time.

If you're enterprise with more than 16 machines, you can and should probably be paying for RHEL.

What I'm not understanding is why people need to use RHEL and would resort to free random forks of it, instead of just using CentOS Stream or Fedora that are basically the same thing, actually from RH, and 100% free. RHEL is not that special.

> can and should probably be paying for RHEL.

I'm on the fence about that. I wish people were more willing to financially support open-source development, but I've worked with dozens of customers using RHEL over the last 10 years and never seen a single one of them open a support request - on that basis I can see why people feel that the price is too high. When the options are "get gouged" or "be labelled a freeloader", the outcome is pretty obvious.

> just using CentOS Stream or Fedora

I think the rise of free alternatives (Amazon Linux) and a DevOps-style mindset (no patching, just burn it down and redeploy when updates are needed) are exactly what has motivated this squeeze - RHEL is losing relevance in a lot of places, so RH/IBM are left with fewer potential customers and so just end up squeezing them harder.

“No support requests” was non-trivially due to RH’s efforts. Did those people thing that stable OSes just build themselves?

Sure, and that's enough motivation for people to be convinced to pay something - I just think the current price is too high.

You don't pay for the support requests, you pay for the work of letting you update to the next minor release at your own pace, having those updates be rock solid, and having security fixes even on older releases.

In other words you pay for not having to open support requests.

When a free alternative (CentOS, Rocky) exists, you can get those benefits without the cost. The only real differentiator RH has is support.

Being an open source company means that RH has a non-standard business model and should expect non-standard profits. Their business model is inevitably doomed, but rather than innovating they are going with the "lock-in and gouge" model, exactly like Oracle.

No, CentOS/Alma/Rocky only supports one minor release at a time (that's up to four major releases for a 10 year lifetime). You can stick to a major release but you have to update every 6 months or you'll skip the security updates too.

Red Hat supports 15-ish release streams at this time between RHEL7, RHEL8 and RHEL9. A lot of customers need that because validating a base system update takes months and they cannot afford not having security updates in the meanwhile.

The subtlety of different support levels for minor releases is something I hadn't come across before, thanks. I'm surprised RH haven't made more of that recently.

In fact the recent change basically consisted of going from 1 to 0 shipped stable branches (CentOS Stream is the mainline of RHEL). But most of those stable branches have never been public in the first place.

In my opinion 99% of end users would be served well by CentOS Stream, but the strong marketing of bug-for-bug compatible distros on part of Rocky (and to be honest it's a fig leaf to pretend CIQ is not behind that) hampered the adoption of CentOS Stream and the users' perception of its stability.

Those benefits that CentOS, Rocky offer, as you said, are without cost because the cost is shouldered by Red Hat. If you're a 1:1 rebuild, you can't introduce your own fixes, so CentOS, Rocky rely on Red Hat to write and produce a fix that will then be rebuilt "free of charge" as you mention.

How is that lock-in from Red Hat's part?

Nothing in life is ever inevitable. Progress is never certain.

No support requests usually means everything is working. No news means good news

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