Hurricane Electric censors entire IPv6 /32, WA State Attorney General involved
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It wasn't a software glitch; it was an intentional action.
This is already the case. That said, if we must accept the premise that such voluntary censorship is acceptable, then I welcome any and all such action against kiwifarms. May its users be hounded off the internet entirely.
It's the same principle as water and electricity and other utility companies not being permitted to cut off service to those whose speech they disagree with.
> Hurricane Electric, one of the largest ISPs in the entire world, has blocked 1776 Hosting's IPs which very briefly (~2 days) was a way to connect to the Kiwi Farms.
> Hurricane Electric admits that blocking an entire subnet of IP addresses like this is unprecedented. They refuse to elaborate as to why they've done this.
> HE is an extremely old, extremely large provider which owns an enormous share of all fiber optic cable in the world. Their connectivity between smaller ISPs is unparalleled. Their bandwidth is over 100Tbps. If every nerve in your body is connected to each other, much like two computers on the Internet, then Hurricane Electric would effectively be your spine - hence why they are called the Internet Backbone. The Internet Backbone is telling a small forum of a few thousand daily users that they may not exist, they will not explain why, and they are not open to meeting halfway.
> However, our relationship with HE was indirect. 1776 Hosting had a relationship with an ISP, who itself had a relationship with another ISP, who has a relationship with Hurricane Electric. HE did not terminate a relationship with me, they instead obstructed my providers from receiving traffic they specifically requested because Hurricane Electric does not allow it, without stated reason, and without appeal.
> What Hurricane Electric has not considered is that this relationship took place in Washington state. Washington is one of the few states which has state-level common carrier provisions for the Internet.
> This cause of action cannot be brought by individuals or companies. It must be brought by the Attorney General's Office in Washington. My providers have filed complaints with the Attorney General's Office in Washington. I am preparing to do the same via representation.
> Hurricane Electric's political decision making and deliberate meddling with the Internet is the most dramatic action I have ever seen in the degradation of the Internet and the erosion of our personal liberties. The only path forward is for the Internet to be regulated as a common carrier. If we allow this behavior to continue, no website may exist without the collective assent of a dozen megacorporations joined at the hip.
Latest update post:
> The AGO has confirmed it has received complaints from Incognet and Crunchbits and that the complaints fall under the scope of their office. I am filing mine this week.
> Residents of Washington may be needed soon.
> Edit 1: Small update but when we tried to route another /48 off my subnet it was also blocked immediately before ever being pushed live as an AAAA record. In short, this means the company is actively hawking my subnets and terminating them as soon as they go up to deliberately deprive Washington residents of Internet access to websites of their choice.
> Edit 2: Actually, they blocked my /32, which means Hurricane Electric is blocking 65,536 network blocks containing 65,536 subscriber blocks each with each subscriber block containing 18,446,744,073,709,551,616 possible addresses. With this number, I could assign each gram of the Earth's total mass 74 IP addresses each. They have done this specifically to accomplish keeping Washington residents off the Kiwi Farms.
> https://routing.he.net/index.php?cmd=display_prefix_list&as=...
What is the middle ground between civilised people and a bunch of shit bird drop kicks who should have been swallowed at conception?
As soon as a bunch of losers who stalk people for fun get kicked offline they suddenly want to adopt the phrase "net neutrality" for their cause.
People like you are exactly why every rule has exceptions. You're the embodiment of yelling "FIRE! in a crowded theatre".
this lie gets repeated so often and it's disappointing how willing people are to lap it up without an ounce of critical thought.
I think Kiwifarms is (borderline) criminal. Null, the admin of the site, outright said he was ok with users posting stolen financial information, such as Social Security Numbers and Credit cards. Source: https://archive.is/0fOcS . There are many examples of private financial information being posted on the site.
I would describe them as operating with a paper thin layer of "plausible" deniability. Officially you aren't allowed to harass or interact with the targets. But posting their home address, stolen passwords, phone numbers, and information about relatives is all allowed.
But even the rule against interacting with "lolcows" (called "cowtipping") is haphazardly enforced. For example, one user had sex with a "lolcow" and posted photos. The admin explicitly said they would allow the content to remain up: https://archive.is/zYnpK#35%
For those who aren't aware, kiwifarms is a website that was ostensibly something like a gossip forum, but in practice basically ended up being used for cyberstalking and harassment. They would frequently harass and doxx people. Their wikipedia page covers parts of it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms
For instance, 18 U.S. Code § 1028 (a)(2) appears to criminalize transfer of identification documents as long as you know it was stolen or unlawfully obtained. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1028
The laws on credit card fraud require "unlawful or fraudulent intent" though. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/1644
Even discounting the above, you could imagine why a provider may not want to serve a website that engages in that sort of borderline illegal behavior.
https://www.eff.org/press/releases/eff-urges-federal-appeals...
Point is that this should apply to all network traffic, including websites where people are there saying things you disagree with.
If whatever they're gossiping about on Kiwi Farms is really that bad, then that's for law enforcement and the courts to sort out, not rogue network engineers with strong opinions.
For example, Kiwifarms sometimes may cross the line here: >Harassment - use of Hurricane's network to harass or threaten (in the legal sense of those terms) any other person is prohibited.
Kiwifarms frequently violates the latter part of this clause (and on occasion the former part): >Advocacy of violence against a specific person or class of people is prohibited.
Advocacy for violence against transgender people as a whole is relatively common, and on occasion advocacy for violence against specific individuals is seen.